[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just my 2 cents but I am getting a little desperate at the number of bog ups in Unstable at the moment. I don't want to leave the platform but if things continue like this I will have to. Like many folks perhaps, I am completely baffled by Debian's reluctance to get together a desktop iternation that is more up to date than Stable. It doesn't have to be rock solid, but there must
be a better way than this.

I don't think we should blame all Debian developers. The only real problems I've had with sid were related to x-server; all other parts of Debian are rock solid. Maybe the x-server Debian maintainers are new/unexperienced in that task?



I have yet to experience these problems with X that some people seem to be having. Just lucky timing? I've certainly done problem-free updates at the same time others have reported problems. I don't know, but it does seem to me that most of the time it turns out that someone who has a problem has somewhere along the line done some customizing of the server set-up. I tend to think it's not that the Debian maintainers are inexperienced, but that they can't account for every possible tweak any given user might have made to a complicated system like X when that system itself is going through a major reorganization and restructuring.

And I don't mean to imply that "it's the user's fault." Many people make little adjustments here and there to their set-ups -- that we can do that is one of the benefits of running a Linux OS in the first place. Most of the time, this isn't a problem. But when you're running a system that is fairly cutting-edge and apt to go through some major changes from time to time, it's worth remembering that the less "standard" your installation, the more likely it is you'll have problems when these changes hit.

At one extreme, you run Linux from Scratch and do all your own recompiling and dependency-satisfying and configure your heart out knowing that you have complete control over everything that happens on your computer; at the other, you stick only to official Debian apt sources, don't make any funny edits to configuration files, and use official tools that tell you exactly how your system wants to be set-up so that you can do a simple "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" without worry.

Happiness lies somewhere in-between.  :-)

--
Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute 
reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream." --S. Jackson


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