On Sunday 15 April 2007 02:03, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Saturday 14 April 2007 15:02, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > The problem I have is this.  I have a linux desktop (machine D)
> > siting on a LAN in my home.  This is  connected to a linux
> > firewall/nat router (machine S) with two ethernet cards.  One links
> > out to the internet, the other connects to the internal lan. 
> > Connections to the internet from machine D go through machine S,
> > which acts as a NAT translation. I do all the control and
> > firewalling using IPTABLES in machine S.
> >
> > Downloading a video from youtube onto Machine D's desktop I get a
> > download speed of about 7Kbytes/sec. Which is very low.  If I try
> > to download the same one by ssh'ing into mahcine S and running wget
> > on the same url, I get a download speed of 80Kbytes/sec (ie more
> > than 10 times faster).
>
> Alan,
>
> I would try wget on machine D to verify that the problem is network
> rather than your browser on D.  If that doesn't answer your question
> I would run wireshark (or tshark from the command line) for a few
> seconds while machine D was downloading via S, being sure to capture
> on all interfaces.  The result will show what is happening to packets
> trying to cross S.


Thank you for all the people who did respond to this.  Just to say I AM 
USING wget for this.

However, the suggestion to run wireshark was important because I think 
it is giving me a clue of the problem.  This will need a TCP expert to 
help me - I think the problem seems to be in the sequence numbers.  Let 
me try and explain.  (wireshark is running on the gateway originally 
was looking on all interfaces - but this didn't help - so I limited it 
to the WAN interface)

Firstly the case of direct downloading from my gateway.  This is a 
summary of a three protocol exchanges using wireshark

youtube->me  http continuation seq 189688 next seq 191136
youtube->me  http continuation seq 191136 next seq 192584
me->youtube tcp ack seq no 192584
youtube->me  http continuation seq 192584 next seq 194032

Now when I look at a similar exchange when I am using the gateway 
machine just as a hop and there is a machine behind the gateway I get a 
different pattern

youtube->me http cont seq 4344 next seq 5792
me->youtube tcp ack seq 5792
youtube->me http cont seq 7240 next seq 8688
me->youtube dup ack seq 5792
youtube->me http cont seq 10136 next seq 11584
me->youtube dup ack seq 5792
youtube->me http cont seq 5790 next seq 7240
me->youtube tcp ack seq 8688
youtube->me http cont seq 8688 next seq 10136


As you can see, in this case, it appears that some packets are being 
lost and have to repeated via a dup ack.

One can presume that youtube is actually sending the packets since it is 
clear in the earlier case that it does so (and pretty quickly too), so 
I think it might come down some reason that the packets are getting 
dropped before wireshark sees them.

I have an IPTABLES firewall, but I can't see why that should effect 
things.  Can someone tell me

a) Whether wireshark sees the packets before they are processed by 
IPTABLES?

b) what other reason could I have for lost packets? 






-- 
Alan Chandler
http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk


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