On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 02:41:52AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > Hi Doug, > > Thanks for your comments. > > 2008/11/5 Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Or, are you saying that you are trying to implement a psad recipe from > > the internet that doesn't apply to the version of psad supplied in > > Ubuntu? > > Essentially correct. But not just any old set of psad instructions: > the instructions provided on the psad website and in the developer's > book on Linux firewalls. In other words, pretty much the most > comprehensive set of instructions I could find.
http://packages.ubuntu.com/psad http://packages.debian.org/psad And for older history: http://archive.debian.net/psad As you can see, the Ubuntu package is maintained by the Masters of the Universe. That is to say: it is basically a copy of the package from Debian Testing (or is it Unstable) close to the time of the release. > > > For all Ubuntu is based on Debian, I don't think it follows debian > > policy. The policy manual says, basically and among other things, that > > installing a package should result in that package working > > out-of-the-box in some fashion only needing tweaking by the sysadmin. > > Define "working" (or "tweaking"). My experience with some packages in > Etch suggest that Debian sometimes has problems like this too. Examples, please? Bug numbers? What I mostly expect the distribution to do for me are the "manual script" you find in HOWTOs. You should not need to install a set of packages. That is why we have dependencies. You should not need to guess a long command-line. If there is still a need for one it should be scripted by the package maintainer or at least documented in README.Debian . I have not heard of psad before. So I decided to just check that package and see what it is about. I didn't have time to actually set it up. One this that I could see in the README.Debian was that I need to edit syslog.conf myself. This makes sense if I use sysklod . But it's silly if I have a shiny new Lenny system with rsyslog. Result: http://bugs.debian.org/504567 . I hope somebody actually picks it up. Yes, this is a small thing. I could do it myself. But why should I bother? Why should the 362 users of the package (http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?popcon=psad ) bother do the same thing over? > > > I've never used psad but I would be very surprised if the problem you > > experienced were to happen were you running Debian Stable. > > You may be right. Perhaps I should go back to Debian Stable. But one > of the reasons I switched to Ubuntu was to minimise the gap between a > package being deprecated by its developer and deprecated by its > maintainer, in an effort to avoid precisely the sort of problem I > outlined in my post. > > > Since Ubuntu is based not on Debian Stable but on (I think) Unstable, I > > don't know how one can consider any Ubuntu release to be stable. > > Ubuntu has LTS (Long-Term Support) releases, which roughly translate to > Stable. And they are released roughly as often as Debian stable versions are released. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849754 | | friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]