On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:46:33 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote: > On 05/18/2011 09:17 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> But it's not only video, there are many sites that are completely >> rendered and rely on a specific version of the player and you are >> completely out of luck if you're using a flash version that does not >> match the site requirements. > > Yep. I'm particularly nasty when I write to the folks who maintain sites > that require Adobe flash for navigation. Requiring a > security-hole-ridden piece of proprietary software to be installed on > the client's system just for navigation is not acceptable. I gave what > for to the folks who managed a Blue Cross (health insurance) Web site a > couple of years ago. To my surprise, they fixed the problem! I have to > admit, though, that most such folks don't even bother to respond.
:-) I've been working as a web developer and I fully agree with you that is is not an acceptable policy. If someone wants to develop a crapped web site full of fading windows that come in and come out in front of the user, good, but you also have to provide a fallback site to the users that cannot even load the main page. We used to have a flash animation on our site that, as soon as I had the time to perform the changes, has been replaced by a combo of css+dom +javascript, fully rendered with just the browser. > I simply won't do business with such folks over their Web sites. I'm > willing to put up with the inanity of automated phone systems and the > slowness of mail when dealing with them in order to avoid their Internet > sites. I'm sure I'm inconveniencing myself more than I'm inconveniencing > them, but I don't care. I just refuse to install and use the junkware on > any system that I maintain. It's not a religious thing. I'm just > stubborn. I wish I can do that way. Look, I recently had to buy a ticket for a fly with an airline company that presented the timetable using some kind of flash animation. Yes, I could have placed a phone call and buy the tickets in the "old way" but I was told to do it online so we can send the tickets to the passenger via e-mail. I'm using lenny, and if I had used the gnash plugin the passenger could have been finished in another country completely at the opposite to the desired destination :-) > Obviously, I know lots of folks who use it all. I don't chide them about > it, but they do get an earful if they ask my avoidance of it. This has > actually turned out to be an easy way for me to avoid feeling obligated > to help people who ask me for help configuring and maintaining their > systems. If I explain that I won't help them maintain systems running > proprietary software (I'll make an exception for firmware, sometimes.) Ahh, true. Nowadays we cannot completely avoid using some closed source programs/firmwares/drivers ;-( > they usually shrug their shoulders and ask someone else -- which is just > peach with me. > > ;-) Well played by you. > Did I mention that I'm a bit of a curmudgeon? It's the only way to survive in the jungle :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.18.19.10...@gmail.com
