On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, 
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, 
> > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > 
> > > > Pigeon writes:
> > > > > I was under the impression that "Serbian" was written with Roman
> > > > > characters, and "Croatian" with Cyrillic, but they were actually
> > > > > the
> > > 
> > > ..the other way around. 
> > > 
> > > > > same language, hence "Serbo-Croatian". How close to the truth is
> > > > > this?
> > > >  
> > > > "A language is a dialect with its own army and navy."
> > > 
> > > ..historically, the white man used his military and political power 
> > > and, this language as part of "nation building".  ;-)
> > 
> > As have every other conquering nation or tribe.
> > 
> > Why do people think that Europeans
> 
> ..here we go: "Europeans"?  Is "Europe" any less part of Asia than 
> India and China?  ;-) 

Yes, it is.  That's why there are 7 continents, not 6.

But what does that have to do with my point that people have the
same basic emotions/needs (greed, hunger) in a Corporate Boardroom
in New York or London and in a little village in China or India.

> >  are any different than any other 
> > "race"?  Before the Renaissance, Europeans were just like the vast
> > majority of the world's poor are now: scraping out a meager existence,
> > oppressed by landlords, superstitious, uneducated, and occasionally
> > conquered, and thus landlord X substituted for landlord Y.
> 
> ..well, under today's international legal regime with control over 5 out
> of the 5 veto seats in the UN Security Council, white man qualifies

USA (1)
ENGLAND (2)
RUSSIA (3)
FRANCE (4)
PRC

Chinese are, well, Chinese, not European/Caucasian, so I'm kinda
confused here.

> enough
> as "Herrmensch" to convince me Adolf would have laughted his ass off.

Ummm....  "Herr" is like "Sir", and "mensch" is plural of "man", I
think.  "Sir man" is, pardon the pun, a foreign concept to me.
Surely, it's an idiom, though, that I'd understand in a different
form.

> Red China Communism came from where?  ;-)

So the idea came from Germany, and then got twisted from Marx's
idea of revolt by workers in the Industrial Revolution to justifi-
cation of mass starvation (in the 1950s) of peasants and then the
Cultural Revolution, while Mao was living like an Emperor.

Face it: where ever you go, there are people who are ambitious and
hard working enough to move "up the ladder", whether that be in a
semi-capitalistic or "communal" system, and a democracy/republic
or an authoritarian state.  Every one else just wants their rice
bowl.

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"(Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and
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