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Stan Hoeppner grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> On 10/1/2013 12:29 AM, Rhiamom wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Stan Hoeppner <s...@hardwarefreak.com> wrote:
> ...
>>> It's quite funny to see someone of your knowledge level tell me I'm
>>> wrong by quoting the cardboard box as your evidence, while I'm
>>> demonstrating how the transistors and everything else work to get to a
>>> realistic set of requirements...
>>
>> This is the crux of the matter. Your requirements are not realistic for how 
> 
> Actually they were, up to the point you finally told us what screen
> resolution you use.  That changes things quite a bit, or I should say
> changed one thing dramatically.
> 
> I recommended a fast dual core CPU because more cores will be wasted.
> The i3-4340 3.6GHz Haswell would have been as fast as the quad core you
> bought, and saved ~$40-50.  4GB RAM, more than 4GB is wasted, but as I
> said previously it's cheap so buy more if you want, won't hurt.  An SSD,
> and APU graphics.  The only change in that recommendation, now that I
> know your screen resolution, is shifting to a very fast high bandwidth
> discrete card.  2560x1440 is a pretty insanely high gaming res if you
> want high frame rates and smooth rendering at high detail.  Most "hard
> core" gamers wouldn't touch 2560x1440 without SLI/Xfire.
> 
> If going w/a single reasonably priced card you're going to want/need a
> model with a 384 bit bus.  Extremely high resolutions require extremely
> high memory bandwidth.  The 384bit nVidia models are all above $600.
> The AMD 7950s can be had in the low $200s, and the 7970s in the low
> $300s.  Both are 384bit.
> 
>> I want to use my computer. You may be able to happily exist on your minimal
>> memory, ruthlessly eliminating background processes and OS features. I do 
>> not choose to do that. Your expert knowledge is worthless to me, because it
>> requires me to alter the basic way I use my computer. In fact, it is worse 
>> than 
>> useless, because some poor sap might follow your advice and then wonder
>> why they have performance issues with their brand new computer.
> 
> No it doesn't change the way you use your computer.  Because the specs I
> gave actually match how you currently use your computer.  You simply
> don't know it, because you're not using the tools at your disposal which
> inform you of what system resources you're using.
> 
> Run top, install Munin, etc, and look at the percentage of each CPU core
> that is used, and how much memory is used by your applications.  You'll
> be very surprised.  Then look at the GPU driver control panel while
> running WOW and see how much of the video RAM is in use.  At 2560x1440
> it may be pretty high.
> 
> The 7950/7970 both sport 3GB of VRAM do you shouldn't fall short there.
> 
>>> It doesn't matter as you already bought your system.  But I find it
>>> interesting that you will be running integrated graphics for the time
>>> being, after you stated this is wholly inadequate.
>>>
>>> I also find it interesting that not once did you mention that you may
>>> try your old 6970 in the new box, before plunking down unnecessary cash
>>> on yet another high end video card.
>>
>> Yes, I will be running the integrated graphics for a few weeks while I adapt 
>> to 
>> the new box. It is only temporary. 
>>
>> The 6970 is in my iMac, and will remain there. Note that even with 2 gig of 
>> dedicated video memory I am not able to play WoW on all high settings with 
>> the 6970. 
> 
> Again, that's not because there's not enough GPU memory, it's because
> the DRAM bus isn't fast enough, or the chip itself isn't fast enough, or
> both, for that insanely high resolution.
> 


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