On 21.Okt.2013, at 17:11, Sureyya Sahin wrote:

> 
> 
> On 21/10/13 05:07 AM, Curt wrote:
>> On 2013-10-21, Bob Proulx <b...@proulx.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sureyya Sahin wrote:
>>>> Just to update, the hdparm command gives me:
>>>>    Advanced power management level: 254
>>>> I guess the value would be 254. I will try to set it permanently if I can.
>>> 
>>> Set it permanently to 254?  Or to something different?
>> 
>> My understanding is that he executed the command
>> 
>> hdparm -I /dev/whatever
>> 
>> and he got back an apm level of 254, which is what the device has
>> defaulted to without any intervention on his part.
>> 
>> 
> Yes, Curt I issued the command and ended up with some information including 
> the part I posted and I thought is relevant. I am interpreting this as 
> follows:
> 
> Currently, with the data I already posted from the output of smart, I am 
> having a low value at around 35 perhaps. When I issue the hdparm command, I 
> am obtaining a value of 254 which would be the ideal one for my computer. 
> Thus, I will add the scripts described in the article to set it to 254 and to 
> relieve the symptom.


If the hdparm -I tells you that APM is at 254, then *it is* at 254
The value of 35 that you are talking about is another value that has nothing to 
do with it.

you refer to this line

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED  
WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
193 Load_Cycle_Count          0x0032   035       035         000          
Old_age   Always          -                       656598

The last column is the raw value, probably this is the absolute load cycle 
count, but who knows.
*If* the raw value is the absolute count, your disk had 656598 cycles

VALUE and WORST are normalized views of the raw value. If VALUE is reaching 
THRESH than the disk will die soon.
VALUE was probably 100 when the disk was new and was/is decreasing since then. 
If S.M.A.R.T. is right, you have 1 third of the load cycles left. Oh, but who 
says that it decreases linearly?

I did a search for your drive (I hope I got that right)
http://www.techhypermart.com/samsung-hm641ji-2-5-640gb-mobile-hard-disk-drive.html
says
- Load/Unload Cycles: 600,000

yours is at 656598, this could mean that its over the specificated load cycle 
counts yet.
Note that this does not correlate with the 1 third from above, sadly.

Another strange thing - your APM is at 254 according to the output from hdparm

It was mentioned that the APM level is not guaranteed to survive a reboot. Some 
OS's could set it at boot time, some will not.
It could be that a OS that does not make these clicking sounds is a OS that 
sets it at 254 at boot time. You will have to retrieve the value with the 
problem-os. Maybe you retrieved this value while the "good" OS was running, I 
do not know.

I encountered drives which APM was not changeable at all
Also note that the interpretation of the raw value is not standardized.

We are fishing in muddy waters without technical specifications from Samsung.

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