On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net> wrote: > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 12:44 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: >> If you want to avoid GNOME then I would install either 'xdm' or >> 'lightdm' and then install 'xfce4'. It is much more likely to operate >> correctly and successfully. > > Confirmed! > > LightDM + Xfce does cause less issues on all distros I tested. I try to > replace Xfce, because it has got some weak points, but I still recommend > Xfce and I don't know if I'll find a DE to replace it, maybe I stay with > Xfce. > > GNOME3, Mate, and Cinnamon are no-gos. I suspect Enlightenment will be a > no-go forever too, but I have given up to test it again. If you don't > have high standards, just use a WM or Fluxbox, Ion or something that > lightweight. I'm testing KDE4 again and I also perhaps will take a look > at LXDE again.
Enlightenment seems a long way from the heavyweights like Gnome, Mate, etc. Why do you feel that is also a no-go? > My problems with large DEs, such as GNOME and KDE is, that while all DEs > have weak points, the heavy weight DEs like GNOME and KDE tend to make > dependencies hard dependencies, that should be optional and they are so > huge that it's hard to find a culprit, if something does annoy you. A > small DE usually has more optional, than hard dependencies and if > something is bad, it's easy to find and remove. Funny you should mention that. One of the things I found odd is that when I went to upgrade gdm3 it wanted to install Evolution. Why would a display manager need a desktop program that does email/calendar/etc? > An example of such a thing that annoys me is a buggy virtual file > thingy. For Xfce it was easy to find and to remove the HDD killer. GVFS > does wake up "green" drives again and again. The same HDD killer is used > by GNOME, but for GNOME it's not an optional, but a hard dependency, so > it's a little bit more work to remove it. KDE has got such a HDD killer > too, but I still need to find it. If I should know what does kill the > HDDs (KIO, Nepomuk or whatever else), then it might be a hard > dependency, maybe easy, but perhaps impossible to remove. > > Everything with GTK/GNOME dependencies has got a huge risk to fail. GTK2 > is ok, but asking to switch to GTK3 and then the fun begins. each update > then will be a lottery. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg2fxlse3vpv9ok2kms3s2_vjy6_q87vyeqioa0cru6...@mail.gmail.com