Le 10/05/2014 21:49, Cameron Norman a écrit : > Greetings John, > > El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John <johnrchamp...@wowway.com> > escribió: >> After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on >> debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering >> attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. >> Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the >> extent practical until things have had quite a while to shake out. Is >> it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these >> stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which? > >> Package: systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 > > The systemd package includes a ton of software, including what I think > is four daemons that are necessary for a modern Linux desktop > (timedated, hostnamed, localed, and (most importantly) logind). You > will need to install this package usually.
Could you explain in what they are necessary ? I have none of them, in what is my linux not "modern" ? And why should we be "modern" ? >> Package: systemd-sysv Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 > > This is probably the only thing you are going to need if you want to > make sure you do not run systemd as pid 1. (Unless your friend changes > your grub command line :). If you have systemd-shim installed, then > this pin should never have to take effect, but if somebody decides > that systemd-shim is not a suitable replacement for systemd-sysv with > regards to their package's needs, then the update of that person's > package will be held back until you manually interven I have none of them it works. However how could I be sure that my disabled services will stay as is (but I am still able to start them manually), same thing for my policy-rc.d script, what will happen of it. > >> Package: libpam-systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 > > I think this is a dependency of poke it polkit. I am not sure why, but > I assume there is good reason for it. Anyway, you are probably going > to need it. If you have systemd-shim installed, then libpam-systemd > will do fine w/o systemd as PID 1. > >> Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. > > I hope I was able to help. Please do not assume bad faith by the > systemd maintainers + proponents, though; that is toxic. > > I just say I do not see any advantages in systemd, but that it will breaks many working configuration (last I heard of : systemld won't work with a standard fstab if you use nfs you must use systemd specific options : for me it is a serious bug (breaks other packages). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f42be.4090...@rail.eu.org