-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 07/19/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 07:49:37, The Wanderer wrote: > >> Which points out a large part of the problem, right there: most >> Gnome programs do not themselves need to interact with systemd >> itself (or any component thereof), but due to the dependency chain >> passing through Gnome, installing one of those programs will result >> in installing systemd. That qualifies them as "package[s] which >> depend ... indirectly on systemd ... without real need"; they do >> not need systemd, but they indirectly depend on it anyway. >> >> The problem is that each step of the dependency chain is there for >> good reason, at least from the perspective of the developers / >> maintainers of that particular package - but the end result is that >> a program which does not need systemd is packaged in a way which >> requires systemd. > > That's also one of the reasons I don't even bother anymore to try out > Gnome. Last time I did that (and didn't like it) it was just too > difficult to un-install it due to circular Depends/Recommends. Why is > any of this systemd's fault? It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside programs (in this case, components of GNOME) want to depend on as part of something not independent from the init system. If they hadn't done that, all the other problems with GNOME would still exist, but this particular one would be short-circuited. They did choose to do it, and they are one of the bottlenecks where the problem could potentially be resolved in its entirety, so the end result is at least partly their fault. Of course, as I said, within their narrow context and from their perspective they did it that way for good reason. That's the problem: individual reasonable decisions with good, rational basis combine to produce an unreasonable or otherwise bad result. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTywi9AAoJEASpNY00KDJrL9IQAJRwD8N/lM8UEPhUVeumEcG7 i56itlyOBG4lAA+MRs2GscXdH8dZpytP60rXwspMPZEmGHgZuz3hwECo4LUo5SY/ MhauXfQFsuNhz5+rxkKAyb8QULlib36XR5GmXtb29CTVvmPCgUJlixt4vdFM34/U JXS+Qipl4YXYlSH6XXm4SER3DiSzCczmwgFFi7zYVQZ8ulboGYHgX3YU7O5bfPLf tn9HUVGPsETmTkKNo1ovdG18Yvy0wUmoynSChrDSSkjT61F/XTF2LayVEhjbaJyu Rjfbq1yiZjZq02IgV3Jc8bG35nwg4pE26WzrGhA2+dfvmFgT8mRFJnB+YX2+8/0/ /zQJMU5Jcqr+26cx7IS+s2n3QqRcyhTngPL8gC1sBwrxaPlzybFb4YxcKhk4Knd8 BJinqZ3HDAuUm3ksY4ZkKPTRdsjvR3ZVaGOm3JAEKxXOVr6OsQUtnK86+G6NvJhC NbO/KPzcDLFYUiT8+mmxoiC4KmdCQdm5lZT7td4OhAKPzKu9chEWxQKEPX/2a798 wjLxEizAHpHNHkQqgQwmjaigrEaymXSUT3qTar2QnSCSHCBnScjAixKtci+aa9mg mKkBrlbb+9ze1Mnn5Yh1YaXnB9Vh/8pLV/MCHSTWckLvIHZku8TQBrI2ffgTRuSE l1sn9RlRq2TiFlX9tinw =36hj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cb08bd.3050...@fastmail.fm