Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent: > > I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other > > hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as > > it won´t change anything. > > I'm uncertain if that's correct. It certainly highlights some features > and flaws and peoples preferences and even though it's often > disparaged, imagine that some developers and programmers read posts on > this list relevant to their work. > > Anyway I think that the real subject is, as others have said, the > ability to choose. > > True freedom is having a choice, and as some have stated, the only > choice they see may be to move to another operating system if Debian > doesn't give them choice within it. But there is always choice.
At the moment you *have* a choice. I think Debian one of the *few* distributions that let you have this choice. I bet you won´t have this choice easily with RHEL 7 or SLES 12 and probably even Fedora and openSUSE. Michael Biebl even just tested this choice, see: http://bugs.debian.org/761389 So once thing everyone who doesn´t want systemd on their systems can do is to *install* and *test* this alternative and report all bugs with it. That I bet would help a bunch more than discussing it in an extend that is surpasses anything I have ever seen before on this list. First *look* at things. Then *discuss* whats still needs to be discussed in your eyes then. I will use systemd for now. I will give it a chance despite my doubts. So far it fared pretty well. I still think 1,3 MB as PID 1 is ridicolous, but it works quite well for me. And that said, I do report bugs with systemd i.e. the solution I use at the moment. Other options are: 1) Try to convince Debian developers to revert systemd discussion. I doubt that any amount of discussion here on this list will achieve this result. Do a petition or whatever and hope for the best. 2) Work on an alternative. 3) Take your feedback on systemd *upstream*. But continuing to discuss here aside from *concrete* technical issues you have? Well… if you like to use your time for that… do what you want. I don´t like to waste my time like this. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3369131.HtAyZGh8gB@merkaba
