On 09/23/2014 05:14 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
So my challenge is to you:
*Act* for change.
Instead of just venting your frustration here, which will do nothing,
absolutely and utterly nothing for any change! But basically the opposite, the
more energy you put into venting engaging here in a ton of threads, the less
energy you will have to bring forth change.
I bet most of those here, who criticize systemd never ever have even *tried*
to take any of this upstream. I am delighted to see any proof of that you did.
Just really important: Watch your tone. If you are disrepectful, then chances
are that you will be ignored. And IMHO *rightfully* so.
Ciao,
My take is that this is not a problem with upstreams, including systemd.
It's useless to bother upstreams with Debian's internal issues, which
are centered around a growing dependency on Red Hat's one-size-fits-all
business model, which could be a poison pill that kills Debian as
collateral damage. In that sense maybe you could call it an "upstream"
issue, but it's one that I suspect is particularly impervious to
downstream feedback (except maybe from RHT shareholders).
The only realistic user option for the majority is to stop using. That
exodus, as far as I can tell, has already started with the most
technical users. They are glad to use hobby project software but don't
have time to referee internet squabbles. Their main interest now will be
to gauge risk going forward or just post out of curiosity to ask WTF is
happening to Debian?
From my perspective the most important users in the server space and
the mobile/embedded ARM space tend to think this not going well for
Debian which was the underdog to begin with, but systemd is a big
setback and will cause it to be dropped like a hot potato. I only have a
small window to see through but have been watching closely for years. I
am always looking for alternate options on this.
Debian use can make a difference, by exercising choice. For Debian users
to make a difference, Debian has to fix Debian.
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