On Thu 25 May 2017 at 10:38:22 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 25 May 2017 at 12:18:44 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > On Wed 24 May 2017 at 18:57:01 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > On Wed 24 May 2017 at 17:28:52 (-0500), Michael Milliman wrote: > > > > > > > I installed and have been using feh as a stop-gap until the Debian > > > > repositories catch up to upstream and/or fix the problem in Stretch. > > > > Been working just fine, with its limitations. It's better than a black > > > > desktop. :) I had to read the man page a couple of times and try it > > > > another couple of times to make it work, but work it does. > > > > > > I prefer to keep feh off my systems; its description is a lie. > > > > > > feh - image viewer and cataloguer > > > > > > It's an editor that has no concept of a buffer, but just scribbles > > > over the original file. And, IIRC, the error message, when thwarted > > > by a read-only file, is incorrect: it blames the permissions of > > > the directory, not the file. > > > > The description is not intended to deceive > > It calls itself a viewer, and that is plainly deceptive when > the program irrecoverably modifies the file with one keystroke, > whether deliberate or not.
We'll agree on the deceptive, non-deceitful nature of the description, then. > > and the limited editing > > functions are described in the manual. > > One would hope they are. But most viewers I've come across do > not modify the file when carrying out the trivial but vital > operations one would expect to be present: orientation, > flipping etc. > > I would also point out that these single dangerous keystrokes > are adjacent to other keys that one might expect to use, and > can use, safely. Eg _ (invert) is next to +, | (flip) is next > (British layout) to both A and Shift itself. > > I really can't understand why these particular operations > have been chosen to be in-place; it's grossly incompetent > interface design. > > > Scribbling can be avoided > > (Ctrl+2 in the manual): > > I wonder whether you realise that's a mouse command. Have you It's strange what people wonder about. I suppose it comes from assuming the other person lacks reading skills and never tests anything. Sad. > tried holding down Control, then pressing and holding down > both buttons within the prescribed time constraint, then > trying to move another digit on the touchpad to get anything > resembling a precise rightangle rotation? > > No, this is an entirely different function from the flip/invert/ > rotate functions one expects in a viewer. Apropos these mouse > commands, what's the mysterious "null button" (first in the list) > that's meant to restore the image? > > > https://github.com/derf/feh/issues/86 > > Oh, I see people agree with me. Depressingly, the < and > commands > are legacy baggage, and derf (flagged as "Owner") says they will > be kept. So, my choice, and it's no feh, period. Glad to have helped. A primary source is rarely deceptive or deceitful. Sometimes feh's modification of a file could have unwanted consequences. Other times it is of no consequence. But carrying out any operation on an original file at any time is to be avoided. I might be persuaded to move from feh to something like qiv or mirage. Meanwhile, I'll stick with action0, action1, etc to save and restore a file before it is manipulated. -- Brian. -- Brian.