> Er ... sorry that last email should read ".... Phil Wyett's suggestion" in
this thread. 

Yes, trying Phil's suggestion and will report back once I have had the time
to explore it properly (several systems now exhibiting this problem). As a
teaser, it seems that even software-properties-gtk creates the trusted.gpg
file, but even with that file deleted (as per Phil) and sticking to the
terminal and apt-get, I get the same key related errors. In fact if I use
software-properties-gtk it seems to jam up on "Refeshing software cache"...
has been going on one machine now over 30 minutes.

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