Hi. On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:56:04AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:42:19AM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:14:30AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > > Or just ditch Wayland (/me runs for cover ;-) > > This was admittedly a bit provocative -- no offense intended.
None taken. I saw the smiley ☺. > > A short-term solution at best, although I'll avoid Wayland in buster. > > Why do you think it is a short term solution? Because GNOME. GNOME's upstream said their word loud and clear, and that word is - 'thou shall use Wayland for it is our favorite toy now'. A modern GNOME project is known for feature removal. There was no single GNOME release since the 3.0 version which lacked "we've removed A and we've removed your ability to do B, because reasons" in the changelog. Therefore one can expect the removal of the ability to run GNOME with plain X (it's possible for now), and in GNOME speak it's will be a "feature". Debian project, like the most distributions, ships GNOME as a primary/default Desktop Envirionment. Therefore one can expect that this GNOME's "feature"-to-be will be included in Debian sooner or later, and once done the "feature" can affect other, seemingly unrelated packages. A synaptic comes to mind here ☺. Luckily for us, Debian stable users, we're promised a lack of behaviour changes during the lifecycle of a stable release. And Debian keeps that promise most of the time. So, I'll keep using X in buster, as I stopped using GNOME long time ago (etch was the testing, grass was greener etc). > > Tried the thing, did not like all two 'window managers' from the main > > archive that come with the Wayland. > > This is more or less my situation. After a detour through Gnome I > finally came back to fvwm, and glad I did. Ah, that's the thing. They give you mutter (it's a GNOME thing) and they give you weston (a reference 'window manager'). Both lose in usability to my openbox setup. Reco