On Sunday 19 May 2019 10:26:15 am David Wright wrote: > On Sun 19 May 2019 at 02:24:20 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 18 May 2019 03:40:54 pm Cousin Stanley wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > >> https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php > > > > > > > > Their object is to sell the board, support is very thin to zip. > > > > > > > > BTDT, sorry I bought 2 of them. > > > > > > I only have a single rock64 board that I've used > > > just for testing to see what they're all about > > > and it's curently off-line. > > > > > > It's been quite a while since I've visited the rock64 forum > > > but the few times I posted over there, respondents seemed > > > to be helpful .... > > > > > > As always one's own proverbial mileage may vary .... > > > > I have built several rt-preempt kernels on an ssd plugged into one > > of my rockk64's. Then asked how to install then because the u-boot > > thing is new to me. Several times I've asked. Crickets. > > > > So yesterday I dd'd a new armbian 5.25 image to a 64Gb card and > > thought I'd head the networking off at the pass by putting my hosts > > file on it, and a static defined eth0 file in e/n/i.d as I've been > > told that N-M won't touch a staticly defined interface. On first > > boot it took 8 minutes to resize the image to the 64GB u-sd. Then > > it upgraded about 250 packages. So thats good for a reboot so I > > did. That was the last time the network worked for about 7 hours. > > And that pulls my trigger... > > > > What I eventually found, because every time I looked at > > /etc/resolv.conf it was generated by N-M but otherwise blanked. > > Finally I discovered it was not a link to some cheater file, but a > > real file! So I nano'd it to read the correct data, and chmod +i > > immediately so N-M couldn't knock it up again. Stepped into > > /e/init.d and ./networking restart. Worked, and has been working > > ever since. I also tried to have apt remove N-M, but apt insists on > > removing the desktop with it. So the only other thing is to castrate > > N-M with chmod +i's on the files it wants to change and thereby > > destroy a working staticly defined home network setup. At some point > > I'll likely rm the bits and pieces of N-M as I've done that to > > several older x86, amd64 & armhf distros and the rest of the system > > has never complained about that angry bull in a china shop going > > missing. By have resolv.conf search hosts,nameserver, with > > nameserver defined as my router, its also the gateway, a query that > > can't be resolved by the hosts file, is sent on thru dd-wrt to the > > nameservers at my ISP, and it all Just Works. That teeny little > > connection gui in the upper right corner of the armbian screen is > > running as me after the first reboot, so it can't change anything > > and won't even accept the correct data to make a static setup work, > > and has no facility to ask for a sudo. So its as worthless as the > > appendages on a bore hogs belly. Why is it even there? > > I can't remember just how closely your /e/n/i and resolv.conf > have evolved to conform with their correct syntax (ISTR you did > improve them a while back), but I don't feel it's worth taking the > bull by the horns after seeing others trying to tackle you here. > > > ifconfig has been deprecated, but its only crime was that it worked, > > I've not noticed any lack of support in Debian beyond not trying to > fight changes in how it presents its output (which makes it dubious > for parsing in scripts). > > > leaving us with ip, whose man page is written in English, but may as > > well be swahili. Would it kill the authors mother to include 1 or 2 > > examples to demo how it all fits together so it works instead of > > spitting out the same identical help screen in swahili every time? > > I count 5 examples on 'man ip' and, for the ones I use more > frequently, 6 on 'man ip-address', 15 for 'man ip-link' 2 for > 'ip neighbour' and 4 for 'man ip-route'. For manpages, I'd say > that's pretty good. > > > I > > did, just once, get it to show the routeing table. But thats all I > > have managed to get out of it in almost 2 years of the 10,000 > > monkeys typing exercise. ip? Needs 7 or 8 arguments just to look at > > eth0? Nuke the SOB, and if something was wrong with ifconfig, fix > > it. I have no patience with solving a 50x50 crossword puzzle just to > > run that piece of crap. Yeah I'm unhappy, N-M and ip, because I > > couldn't get any answers out of it, cost me 7 hours yesterday. > > I typed linux ip command into google and the top hit was > https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-ip-command-examples-usage-syntax/ > which not only has lots of examples, but also a table at the bottom > showing old and new equivalents. (Perhaps that's where you got > 'deprecated' from.) The second hit was a two-page cheat sheet. > https://p5r.uk/blog/2010/ifconfig-ip-comparison.html > is another conversion kit. > > But I think you just enjoy reliving your fights. > > Cheers, > David.
Thank you David, those 2 links are VERY helpfull. For one, they show the shortcuts that actually work instead of spitting out the same error/help screen forever. I'm going to look around on the first link to see what other tuts it may have. And no, I DON'T enjoy the fight. I have enough on my plate to keep 2 or 3 people busy since I am also a caretaker for my wife who has late stage COPD, and at 75 lbs, managed to pull an Achilles tendon loose about 3 weeks back. Plus I'm trying to get setup to do some radio engineering sorely needed by the small town American radio broadcasters as all the other old-timers that used to do it, have just about all died. That will, except for the local station, have to wait until I'm alone so I can be gone for several days at a time depending on how far away the station that needs me is. As a retired tv Chief Engineer, I'm a rare breed, I have an FCC license, and I am also a C.E.T. I don't just replace boxes that don't work, I replace parts in the box to make the old one work, sometimes better than when it was new. I don't climb towers anymore, but I've looked at most of the county from 330 feet up a 509 foot tower, in a wind peaking at 70 mph. I did what needed to be done. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>