On 11/11/23, to...@tuxteam.de <to...@tuxteam.de> wrote: > In which case you aren't the customer, but the cattle.
Once we go into exposed mode (go online), we tacitly become all cattle, don't we? What I am talking about is being more of an unleashed cattle, a leashed one that is aware. On 11/11/23, Marco <m...@dorfdsl.de> wrote: > Am 11.11.2023 01:26 schrieb Albretch Mueller: > >> the politics behind the "cloud trial" may not be compatible with >> Debian, but I don't know if there is a way to work around such issues >> or just use the other parts of it: > > Why can't you install it manually, maybe with a script? Yes, of course, you can always do so. I meant it would be best if certain security issues are dealt on a hardware level. It may sound as "paranoid", "crazy" to you, but I always go into exposed mode using a Debian Live DVD, basically: 1) boot up 2) mount local drive (reset my home dir ...) 3) mount USB pen with extra stuff I need 4) customize my run by using dpkg to install packages from the USB pen drive 5) unmount, remove pen drive 6) physically plug in Internet enabling hardware 7) install the drivers to be able to connect to the Internet ... ... (n-2)) disconnect yourself from the internet (software + hardware by removing the wifi USB dongle or cable) ... (n-1)) run script to check which files were changed during your run and how n) shutdown Yes, it is cumbersome, but it is the only way I can access the Internet with some reliability. It is not just about soft- and hardware level measures, "hackers" as part of their modus operandi need "persistence". They would not spend their while and expertise knowing well that by shutting down your computer you would be effortlessly erasing all their cr@p, along with all cookies and all of that and they are smart enough to realize that they would risk exposing their rear end to the four winds. If they continue doing such thing you will know the kinds of "legally protected" hackers that would not mind such risk. lbrtchx