Dear Debian, I have sent a few emails already, but I suspect I've been talking to the wrong person... I'm sure there's a way (on gmail) to forward an email I've sent, to an additional recipient, but for the life of me, I can't see it. This is clumsy, but so am I. -------------------- Dear Debian, Hello guys, sorry to bring this up and bother you again, but .... Using sid with the aarnet.edu.au mirror, and an update took out my networking. That was about 14 hours ago. No way to get updates or fixes... leave it a while, and reinstall ~ from the 12.2 netinstall. After the 3rd or 4th, I started doing a VirtualBox clone of a base Debian stable, and then playing with that. Easier than doing the whole install & upgrade. First attempt, I set the aarnet mirror up in sources.list for install, but changed it to deb http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free ~ and that's all. The problem persists. It isn't a problem with the Australian mirror. It has been going on for nearly a day now. If you would like (let me know) I will clone it again and do the dist-upgrade to full sid and then investigate as you suggest, but ... For now, I'm just letting you know that sid has networking that's broken. I don't know what is broken, but it takes out your whole networking and network cards / adaptors.
Yours respectfully, Mike ---------- Dear Debian, Minor update. I made a clone, and I added the backports repo, but not the sid. That's working fine. ------------------- mike@debian:~$ sudo apt update [sudo] password for mike: Hit:1 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm InRelease Hit:2 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm-updates InRelease Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease [56.5 kB] Hit:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease Fetched 56.5 kB in 1s (103 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done All packages are up to date. mike@debian:~$ uname -a Linux debian 6.5.0-0.deb12.1-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.5.3-1~bpo12+1 (2023-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux mike@debian:~$ ------------ Repeat, there is no issue with the networking if you stick to the backports, but if you do a full dist-upgrade to sid, all your networking stops and most of your networking tools seem to be missing. The things you normally do to investigate, like ifconfig ~ return words to the effect that command is not recognised. Respectfully, Mike -------------------- Dear Debian, Thank you for your patience. Minor update. I have been fiddling, and I found a way to make it work. Then I thought maybe the Debian team simply fixed it at their end, and the 'problem' no longer exists. So I made another clone of vanilla Debian and I tried the normal update / upgrade to sid, and that ran through with the exact same result as before. We have a 'tasting' clone that has no working network. So ~ How did I make it work? Start with the modify /etc/apt/sources.list. change that to read sid rather than bookworm, and remove all the other lines. sudo apt update sudo apt --list upgradeable Now, start at the bottom of the list. write sudo apt install, then go copy the package name of the item to be upgraded. Stop at the '/unstable' . Paste that after the apt install. Don't stop at one, there's about 800 packages to upgrade... Do them in batches of roughly a dozen. try to keep things together that obviously belong together ~ eg, all the Mate desktop stuff can go through in one install. I did start by updating the kernel, and build-essential. Then I updated the network-manager because I thought that was maybe the problem. Reboot after every few updates, update them about 10 ~ 12 at a time.... it does take a while, but after a mid point, the numbers start to come down fairly quickly because of things brought in as dependencies and such. If you would like me to get and send you my bash history, so you can see exactly how I bumbled my way through it, let me know. It did take well over an hour.... *** This is from a sid upgrade that has not worked. This is the state it's in now. *** mike@debian:~$ ip adr show Object "adr" is unknown, try "ip help". mike@debian:~$ ip addr show 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever inet6 ::1/128 scope host noprefixroute valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: enp0s3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000 link/ether 08:00:27:8a:8d:f9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff mike@debian:~$ ========= *** This is from the upgrade I just did. *** mike@debian:~$ ip addr show 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever inet6 ::1/128 scope host noprefixroute valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: enp0s3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether 08:00:27:8a:8d:f9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 10.0.2.15/24 brd 10.0.2.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute enp0s3 valid_lft 86357sec preferred_lft 86357sec inet6 fe80::a00:27ff:fe8a:8df9/64 scope link noprefixroute valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever mike@debian:~$ ======= The bash history of the one that worked, that would be a bit long, but let me know if you want a copy. I hope I am being a contributor, not simply noise & distraction. Yours respectfully, Mike. ------------------- Dear Debian, Nobody seems to be talking to me... I have done this several times now, in new virtual machines. I have managed to streamline the process a bit. ====================== sudo apt install mate-tweak mate-tweak sudo apt install neofetch neofetch sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade sudo apt update sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade sudo pluma ------------------------- opened sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list and add the following: *deb http://deb.debian.org/debian <http://deb.debian.org/debian> sid main contrib non-freedeb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian <http://deb.debian.org/debian> sid main contrib non-free* deleted everything else, only 2 lines in the file ------------------------- sudo apt update sudo apt list --upgradable sudo apt install linux-image-amd64 build-essential sudo reboot now sudo apt update sudo apt list --upgradable sudo apt install perl perl-tk perl-modules-5.36 perl-base network-manager network-manager-gnome netpbm ncurses-term ncurses-bin ncurses-base sudo apt install libteam-utils iptables network-manager-openconnect-gnome network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-vpnc-gnome network-manager-pptp-gnome perl-doc libterm-readline-gnu-perl libterm-readline-perl-perl libtap-harness-archive-perl sudo apt update sudo apt list --upgradable sudo apt install mawk media-types mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers modemmanager mount nftables ocl-icd-libopencl1 openssh-client sudo reboot now sudo apt update sudo apt dist-upgrade sudo reboot now ------------ What I got first, was the kernel and build-essential package. Reboot Next I went for the modem manager and anything I could see that related to networking – like nf-tables & modem-manager openssh-client Reboot Next ~ cross fingers and go for the full dist-upgrade. That worked, and the networking survived and is now working fine. This is a very significant improvement on the 1st effort, which involved about 17 reboots and manually installing things about ten at a time, from bottom to top, and removing anything that caused objections from apt. That’s with a reboot after each cycle. That’s an extremely slow & tedious method, but it works. This is also slow & tedious, but it is a damn site faster & easier than the first successful attempt. Don’t even ask about the unsuccessful attempts. =========== I hope this is helpful ~ Mike
