On 3/31/26 23:04, Andy Smith wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 04:53:27PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
Andy Smith<[email protected]> writes:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 09:42:13PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).
This kind of thing is why no matter how bad gmail is, or how
self-centred their decisions are, we all have to go along with it.
Because if one of my users can't email someone at gmail it must be my
fault, right? It's the best free email service in the world and all
roads lead to gmail, after all.
Andy, i deeply empathize with your story. Even so, i am also in a
situation where i cannot escape Gmail in real life.
I don't want to harp on this but the sort of thing I'm trying to point
out is that for example over on the mailop mailing list you are
participating in this thread even today:
https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg26412.html
(I'm not stalking you; we're both subscribers! 😀)
where an admin with a 1,400 subscriber Mailman mailing list that they
have been operating for years is at their wits' end trying to get mail
to their gmail.com subscribers.
Meanwhile you are also on *this* mailing list telling everyone that
gmail is the best email service provider.
All participants in mailop should be aware by now that gmail
consistently provides the most difficulty, the most aggravation, and the
least assistance to small senders, where "small" is something like "less
than 5k emails per day". It is a black box for them/us. If we've
followed all their (arbitrary) rules and still our users lose mails,
there is no way forward for us.
I know it's not the best because other ESPs do not give me and others
anywhere near as much of a problem, and I am surprised to see anyone
with actual knowledge of the sender side claim otherwise.
Thanks,
Andy
I don't want to sound like I'm defending Google, but there must be
something wrong with their setup.
Gmail doesn't give me trouble at all and I run a small scale (less than
3k emails per week) mail server for my employer.
It is a self sufficient mail server, not a relay, or "superhost", where
I need to ask ISP, or other major mail provider to relay email through
their servers for me.
I've setup everything myself and the rules aren't something special, or
something other providers in the world would ask.
Basically, all you need is to setup DNS records. A, AAAA, MX, SRV, PTR,
SPF, DKIM, DMARC all should be valid and setup correctly.
SMTP server should use valid PKI certificate (Free Let's Encrypt is
fine) and use modern TLS encryption protocols for mail exchange between
servers.
Sent messages should be DKIM signed and signatures valid.
And of course I had to beg Spamhaus to remove IP from their PBL. (I have
to do it annually)
During the first week in the beginning my emails were dropped into
Gmail's Spam folder, the same was for Microsoft's Outlook account,
but after that, I think our domain has got some positive reputation and
everything was smooth sailing ever since.
--
With kindest regards, Alexander.
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