On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:32:03AM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...)
> 
> No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the
> subject line.
> 
> Argumentum ad hominem would be "You're lying, therefore you're
> wrong". This was "Here is documented evidence of you lying".

Wrong.  Mistakes and lies are two different things.

Here's documented evidence that you're wrong:

http://www.bartleby.com/61/55/M0345500.html
http://www.bartleby.com/61/52/L0155200.html

> > > > This "should" seems rather unreasonable.

> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 04:14:47AM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > There is no "should". It would be a "must", but there's no "must" here
> > > either.

> > You're nit picking.  The precise phrase is "would be required".

> That was my point. This phrase is a "must" form, not a "should".

"would be required" is not must.  "would be required" is conditional
(or subjunctive).  "must" is not.

> > > > It's true that if your resolution passed we would need to pass further
> > > > resolutions to fix the problem you're creating, but at present the above
> > > > paragraph is simply false.
> > 
> > > FUD. (And irrelevant, to boot)
> > 
> > How so?
> 
> An implication that problems are created, without *ever* describing
> *any* problems, now or in the past, so that explaining why you are
> wrong is impossible. That's "FUD".

I don't know what you're talking about, here.

> > > Please do not migrate from generating FUD to outright breach of
> > > copyright (specifically rights of attribution).
> > 
> > This isn't a copyright issue.
> 
> Right of attribution is a part of copyright law everywhere I have ever
> heard of. It is the (usually automatic, non-transferrable) right of an
> author to have things they did attributed to them, rather than to
> somebody else (and to not have things attributed to them which they
> did not do).

There's at least two problems with this argument.

[1] I never laid claim to any copyrighted work -- I [mistakenly] laid
claim to having posted a couple concepts before you.  Copyright isn't
about concepts, it's about the works themselves.

[2] The phrases in question are extremely short -- even if the issue
were those exact phrases, copyright wouldn't work that way.  You might
as well try to claim copyright on individual words.

-- 
Raul


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