* Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 06:58]: > > to use new APT sources list while at the same time supporting the old > > APT lines (i.e. still keeping it on Debian mirrors) for a while. > > I knew *somebody* was going to bite this one.
Yeah, and simply because having a clear transition plan is imho the best solution if you want to have non-free removed. > It has proven to be difficult to impossible to get people to do any > real work towards doing things in this "obvious" way. > > The work to provide an upgrade plan for non-free users must be > performed by either or both of these groups: > > (a) Those who wish to see non-free removed > (b) Those who wish to see non-free kept > > Group (a) does not want to do this work because they want to have > nothing to do with non-free. Group (b) does not want to do this work > because they want non-free to be in Debian, not external to it. [...] > And I've said all this before. I'm aware of the discussions, and the lack of volunteers for doing a proper transition. However, I don't think the GR will be successful without having a clear transition plan in mind, and in fact, I'd argue the GR should only be done after a transition has been done already. This is just me speaking as a random person, and not necessarily as DPL or DPL candidate. I have not yet come to a conclusion whether the DPL should take position on the non-free question. You can argue in 2 ways. First, you can argue that the DPL should represent all of Debian, and hence not take a position on this matter. Second, you can argue that the DPL should provide a clear vision for the project and removing non-free could be seen as pushing the "free software" vision. As I said, I have not come to a conclusion yet. (I should therefore also mention that the "remove non-free: yes" answer I gave in another mail was from my personal perspective, rather than speaking as DPL or DPL candidate.) * Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 17:51]: > (Or was this tbm volunteering? ;) Maybe; I also might have some people in mind who could be interested. But it's not on the top of my TODO list (either as DPL or as a normal developer, see above). If the project as a whole agrees that having a clear transition (moving non-free software to another machine, while still mirroring it on debian.org mirrors for a year or two) would be a good idea, I'll certainly put more time and energy into pursuing this. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]