Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What strikes me as ironic, with these proposals, is that we ran into > something like this problem back in the 90s, back during the initial > adoption of the DFSG, and we had to solve that problem then: we created > the non-free and contrib sections.
> For some reason, these sections are no longer seen as adequate. Not for some reason, for some very obvious reasons. They're not adequate as an immediate solution to this problem because separating the firmware from the packages that currently contain it is hard and needs development and because d-i currently can't (as I understand these threads) cope with that split. I really don't think that, if all that support and infrastructure were in place and we had a straightforward way of pulling out the firmware and help from upstream in doing so going forward, anyone would object that strongly to using contrib and non-free. I expect there would be some grumbling, but if it still all worked, I bet everyone would be willing to deal with it. The problem is, we're technically not there. Just moving it to non-free and contrib isn't a complete statement of the solution. The complete solution (assuming we want Debian to keep working on that hardware) involves a bunch more work that is going to take a while to do. It's a contentious issue because it's a pragmatism tradeoff against ideals whose importance are not universally agreed on. Those are just inherently difficult questions. It's not really useful to imply that they should be easy. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]