On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:50:08 +0200, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Le mardi 26 septembre 2006 à 11:15 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> > 2) joselin's : we make an indefinite exception for non-free >> > firmware. >> >> This creates an exception clause to DFSG#2, and in affect changes >> the DFSG until we have other technical means to ship non-free >> firmware in the future. Since it changes/clarifies/adds a rider ro >> the DFSG, and says that shipping sourceless firmware in main would >> not violate the DFSG because of this special exception, this does >> need a 3:1 majority. > I understand the argument, but I don't think this proposal really > changes the DFSG. The wording makes it clear this is temporary - > although indeed not limited in time - and that this is an exception, > which doesn't change the DFSG themselves. If the proposal had been > worded « we apologize for currently not respecting DFSG #2 for > kernel packages, because of technical limitations », it would have > the same effect. Well, I think that the social contract and the DFSG are straightforward, and any _exceptions_ must also pass by the same majority, even if the exceptions are temporary, and do not actually change the DFSG document itself. > A similar case, at the limit of clarification and exception, was the > GFDL GR, and at that time it didn't require 3:1 majority. The third choice, the one that changed the commonly accepted meaning of bits of the DFSG and tried to create an exception for the GFDL was indeed under 3:1 majority requirement -- just like this case. > I like the idea, but it eliminates some choices for the voter. With > this setup, it is not possible to prioritize the firmware removal > over the release, while still considering other options > acceptable. How would I be able to express the following: Since the issues are orthogonal, you could vote for "DFSG #2 applies to all programmatic works" . There is no conflict between that and releasing etch, with or without special exceptions; so ranking vs that and releases does not seem to make sense. manoj -- The universe is laughing behind your back. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C