Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote: >>> In short, this DM status is complementary to NM. It's not working around >>> any deficiency in the NM process. >> I really doubt that. If I read Anthony's links he have in his GR >> proposal, it all sounds very much like a workaround for the problems >> with our NM process. Especially the second one "Reforming the NM process". >> >> And the main question is is still open: Why do we need this DM status? >> Which problem does it solve, if not the ones with our NM process?
> 1/ I know people who want to maintain package but don't want to be DD. > > The time involvement required to be DD is far bigger to the one required > to be able to maintain properly a single package. And I don't want to > lower the barrier to become DD because the role of DD are critical in > the success of Debian (while the role a maintainer of a single package is > not). I agree that there might be a few people who don't want to be a DD but a DM although I really can't understand why, since both classes are almost identical (day to day work wise) and the "extra" D almost comes for free if you're already a DM: just answer a few questions and wait a very long time. So why would I as a DM refuse to become a DD? I really don't see it. I really disagree that being a DD requires more time than being a DM. We have DDs maintaining more than 100 packages, while others don't maintain any package. No one forces me to maintain more than x packages. If you just want to maintain one package, fine -- no one forces you to anything. So after all, this argument doesn't quiet convince me. > 2/ The NM process itself may not be perfect, but the results are good. > > If you consider the NM process a failure, why don't you accept the DM > idea as an improvement to the NM process where people can start > contributing earlier and waste less sponsoring resources ? Because if this is supposed to be an improvement to the NM process, this solution would be a) unnecessarily complex and b) not enough. As I said a few mails before, it would be much more convenient to grant NMs after they have been advocated (or after T&S) the rights a DM would have and take a close look at the bottlenecks in the process. > If you want to improve the NM process, fine, the NM team awaits your help. > But don't block other initiatives to improve Debian for reasons which > are dubious. So my reasons are dubious? I guess I should let you vote for me and just sign the ballot since your reasons are more reasonable than mine? I thought we're discussing here? Cheers, Bastian -- Bastian Venthur http://venthur.de Debian Developer venthur at debian org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]