On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Martin Wuertele wrote: > * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-18 14:47]: > >> On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Martin Wuertele wrote: >> >> > * Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-17 19:31]: >> > >> >> (Quote attribution elided on purpose.) >> >> > Stop your FUD. >> >> > >> >> > The Release Team isn't violating the Social Contract. >> >> >> >> It is my opinion that releasing lenny with known DFSG violations is a >> >> violation of the Social Contract, on the part of the project as a whole, >> >> regardless of which individuals are making the decisions. >> > >> > Did you ever read SC #4? It's a violation of the SC to not provide our >> > users with a usable system. >> >> I do not think you have read 4 and 5 together. >> >> 4. Our priorities are our users and free software > > [..] > >> 5. Works that do not meet our free software standards > > [..] > >> So, SC says we know our users might need non-free crap, and we >> shall give it to them, in `contrib' and `non-free' areas in our >> archive. > > That still doesn't conclude that releasing Lenny with propable issues > violates the SC. As already pointed out why should hardware that loads > firmware blobs from flash be treated different than hardware loading > the blob from a filesystem. One could conclude that even Intel CPUs > are non-free while UltraSparcs are DFSG-free placing amd64 and i386 > outside main.
It is no different. Debian should be distributing neither. We should not get in the way of the user getting their non-free crap from elsewhere (even embedded in their hardware, or on a usb stick from non-free), but neither should be in Debian main. If you find hardware with embedded software in Debian main, please let me know. I know people who relish downloadable hardware, it feeds their SCI-FI fetishes. manoj -- He who takes nothing in the world that has not been given him, long or short, big or small, attractive or that is what I call a brahmin. 409 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]