Hi, On 12/03/13 at 21:56 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 07:50:27PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 12/03/13 at 14:14 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: > .. > > > > > > This kind of mentoring "let's package this new software stack" (and create > > > a team to maintain it, when it doesn't exist) doesn't need to happen > > > inside > > > the GSoC, it can happen already in Debian. > > > > Nothing really needs to happen inside GSoC. But GSoC provide several > > advantages: > > - there's a rigid framework (deadlines, etc) that help the student organize > > and focus > > - the student gets paid by Google > > - the student gets to mention both Debian and Google on his CV, which is > > probably seen positively by future recruiters. > > Yeah, and also the GSoC have a huge disadvantage, it is available only to a > tiny > small percentage of the population who have the privilege of getting a higher > education, then only if their school load and life responsibilities allow them > to participate in the program. > > It would also be good for us to encourage our own programs to a wider and > diverse > population, instead of relying exclusively on the rules set by a > non-free-software > company. And assuming that students want non-free-software companies on their > CV. > > Your whole point here somehow seems to be against this internship idea While > you seemed to agree previously that all of these internship-like things > (GSoC, NM, team-trainee, ...) are good.
You wrote: > This kind of mentoring "let's package this new software stack" [..] doesn't > need > to happen inside the GSoC, it can happen already in Debian. I agree that this kind of mentoring can happen already in Debian, but that's not a reason not to do it in GSoC. I was pointing that GSoC offers several advantages that might not be easy to offer in other programs. I think that it would be better to talk about "mentoring schemes" rather than "internship-like things". I'm not sure if it's a cultural issue, but in my mind, internship go with "working full time". I think that it's good to have a wide variety of "mentoring schemes", to address different needs and possibilities, in terms of available time, of status, of focus, etc. And I also think that in terms of internship programs (=~ "full-time work inside the project during the summer"), we should explore joining other programs and/or creating our own. Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130312214431.gd10...@xanadu.blop.info