Le Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 01:01:44AM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit : > > I think that forcing a decision through the TC at this time was very > premature and inappropriate, because I don't think enough effort had > been made to reach consensus (failing §6.3(6))
Hi Guillem, I agree that calling the TC was premature. We have a default init system that has the Essential flag, and it is impossible to switch to alternatives without going through a very strong warning. In my understanding, to have GNOME 3.10 in Debian, we need to work around this difficulty. As a consequence, this would pull systemd on such a large number of systems, but as long as GNOME needs to explicitely depend on it, it is still not the default. I have not read GNOME or systemd packagers asking to the maintainers of packages containing init scripts to drop support for our current default system. The Debian way of doing things is that if a systemd service file is missing, a patch should be sent. If the TC choses a new default that is not systemd, the situation of GNOME does not change: it will still need a mechanism to pull systemd and replace the default. But at the time the TC was called, I was not under the impression that the GNOME or systemd maintainers have asked for a decision, and I very much agree with that: first, one has to show in Testing a system where GNOME and systemd work well. In that sense, the call to the TC was premature: we should remove obstacles for change, and only top-down decide when some ways are incompatible in a way that is affecting a large number of users. If one day it is not possible to have Desktop manager A and Desktop manager B installed on the same machine, the solution may be simply to call this "unsupported" unless there is a significant demand for this feature. Perhaps the way out is to solve the technical problem regarding the Essential flag so that it is easier to install systemd, upstart or openrc, and defer a decision untill the call for change comes from enough maintainers of init scripts saying that they want to stop supporting it. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140122235808.gc12...@falafel.plessy.net