Hi Enrico,

I'm not at Debconf, but heard of your debdry session and that way of
this ITP. (Actually Elmar, Cc'ed, made me aware of it.)

Enrico Zini wrote:
> The idea of debdry is to regenerate the debian/ directory every time a
> new version of the software is packaged, using the dh-make-equivalent
> for the given package type.

There are already packages in Debian which offer such functionality
for a specific subset of packages and which I think may help debdry to
reach its goal by not reinventing the part that's already there. :-)

I know at least of such functionality for Perl based packages (Cc'ing
the debian-perl list for that, too) in two flavours:

* dh-make-perl(*) has a subcommand refresh which refreshes the debian
  directory. For me, this works quite well with packages maintained in
  git. After a new upstream release, I run "dh-make-perl refresh" and
  then "git checkout -p" to review the changes it has done and then
  weed out the changes I don't need or want.

  One thing which is always added and then again removed by me, is the
  dh-make-perl disclaimer in debian/control. Despite this is a
  repetitive thing, I still think, it's not a bad thing, but debdry
  may want to remove that automatically again.

* dh-dist-zilla[1] exists since end of July and it's main purpose
  is to use Dist::Zilla[2]'s DRY features directly from your
  debian/rules so you don't need to commit the Dist::Zilla generated
  files to git (e.g. in a second just-for-debian upstream branch) if
  you're upstream and package maintainer in one person. With "dh $@
  --with dist-zilla", all debhelper needs is a dist.ini (and proper
  build-dependencies being installed) to build your .deb.

  [1] https://github.com/elmar/dh-dist-zilla
  [2] http://dzil.org/

  Since version 1.1, dh-dist-zilla also sports a dh-dzil-refresh
  command which combines the features of Dist::Zilla and "dh-make-perl
  refresh" to achieve the same as above, but with just having a
  dist.ini and no Makefile.PL or Build.PL yet.

  My long-term plan is to add dh-dist-zilla support to dh-make-perl,
  i.e. that dh-make-perl can cope with perl modules where upstream
  only provides a dist.ini but no Makefile.PL or Build.PL by making
  use of dh-dist-zilla.

> It then takes manually maintained data from
> the debian.in/ directory and uses it to complete the packaging.

For native or near-native (upstream = debian maintainer) packages
there also exists the idea of doing the opposite: Generating what is
needed for upstream setup tools based data in e.g. debian/control. In
the Perl world that would mean to generate dist.ini (preferably),
Makefile.PL or Build.PL based on data in debian/control.

> I have no intention of having debdry replace hand-writing debian/
> directories, nor have it handle all possible corner cases. I aim at it
> being useful in the general case. I want to address the ordinary,
> routine, boring work, and leave the rest as it is.

Sounds as if maintaining packages in git and "git checkout -p" again
would be a helpful add-on to the expected workflow. :-)

Looking forward to see this bird fly! :-)

Enrico wrote on debian-devel@l.d.o:
> Also, debdry is the first package that I have written that takes care
> of its own packaging :)

I don't see a debian.in directory in
http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/debdry.git/tree/

So not sure where stuff came from when I ran "./debdry" in the git
checkout, but it did work to some extent. I was though surprised to
see a new "Standards-Version: 3.9.1" in the modified debian/control.
:-)

(*) After writing that, I saw that you already mention dh-make-perl in
    your README.md.

                Regards, Axel
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