Ouch...

So the HELOBOGUS will apply the same logic and NO longer check for "BOGUS"
host names?

If not - then why doesn't the same logic apply?

Frankly, I rather prefer to have a test that does it advertises to do (e.g.,
check for "BAD HEADERS"), and then let ME decide via "weights", how highly I
want to rate this.  

Remember: Nobody is forced to use the BADHEADERS test - but those who do
should be able to 'rely' on it discovering non-compliancy.  E.g., I might
choose to use is as a NEGATIVE test, where I give email credit for having
valid, compliant headers!

For all other purposes you have the SPAMHEADERS test that is
designed/advertised to be "flexible" and which is expected to "adopt" based
on occurrence of certain issues in the "wild" - so THERE it would make sense
to leave the MessageID FQDN check out of SPAMHEADERS.


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

H&M Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:    +1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 03:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-unique MessageID vs. BADHEADERS ?



>Shouldn't this message ID cause a "BADHEADERS" failure:
>
>Message-ID:
><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
n>
>
>since "athlon" is not guaranteed to be a unique occurrence (because 
>it's
>not a FQDN)?

Technically, it should.  :)

We used to have the BADHEADERS test check for this.  However, the problem 
is that probably at least 1/2 of all mail clients are not RFC-compliant, in 
that they use a non-fully-qualified hostname ("athlon" rather than 
"athlon.example.com").  I just checked the last 3 personal E-mails I 
received, and all 3 had Message-ID: headers with a non-fully-qualified 
hostname.

Although we normally like to push people into compliance, this is a war we 
won't be able to win.

                                                    -Scott

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