I'm sure it's not a 100% fix - but, if I can block spam that's originating
from the Spammer's easiest and preferred targets (known open relays run by
ignorant mail admins, infected zombie machines, etc.), then a lot has been
won. Those machine's are much less likely to show up with correct SPF data
or Web-O-Trust, etc.

If occasionally a trusted (professionally managed) server is being
infiltrated an accidental exposure (or a newly discovered vulnerability), I
have a much better chanced to reach someone with a very open ear to the
problem - than when I try to tell RoadRunner to look through their dial-up
connection logs to see which of their customers was using IP xx.xx.xx.xx at
a certain time of day - and then contacting that customer and tell them to
download and update a current virus-scanner.

If Spammers have to find the much fewer "accidental" (not "ignorant") server
faults, rather than being able to mail from every machine in the universe,
things are much more manageable.


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:    +1 201 934-9206 



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Anderson
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Web-o-Trust



That would be true if all of the servers using those IP addresses were 100%
trustworthy, but that's impossible.  Servers are compromised all the time.
The people running them can make mistakes, creating open proxies or open
relays, or they can be bribed to allow a spammer access.  Very few spam
arrives to your mail server directly from a spammer.

Until people stop buying the products advertised in spam, there will always
be spam.


> On the other hand, a list of IP sources that are whitelisted and the 
> protocols for using/generating that list represent a strong solution 
> that can and should be described openly.



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