Dear Andy,

That is not true. Far from it.
It spoofs both. The from in the envelop is right that it uses the
right MX server for the domain in question.

For a LONG time we had one client that got daily notifications
claiming he sent viruses. However the senders was from aol, comcast,
roadrunner and a few other ISPs. This clients SINGLE computer was
virus clean and he's not smart enought to configure his mail on any
other machine.

Thursday, May 02, 2002, 11:10:24 AM, you wrote:

AS> Actually Scott - DECLUDE is much smarter than you give it credit for.

AS> In ALL of my many daily KLEZ encounters I have found the following to be
AS> true:

AS> a) the Message Header "FROM:" is false
AS> b) the Envelope "FROM:" always uses an email addresses that matches the host
AS> in the first RECEIVED line.

AS> Here is a sample from a few minutes ago:

AS>   Header From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AS>   Envelope From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AS>   Their Server:  hbci.com [206.230.105.5] for hbci.com
AS>   Message ID:    <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AS> I have YET to receive ONE complaint about one of the KLEZ notifications.  So
AS> I'm pretty confident that the Envelope From may contain the TRUE email
AS> address of the infected user.

AS> -----Original KLEZ Message Headers-----
AS> Received: from mailserv.hbci.com [206.230.105.5] by hm-software.com with
AS> ESMTP
AS>   (SMTPD32-7.07) id A21C3B000C0; Thu, 02 May 2002 11:58:20 -0400
AS> Received: from Zoun (m-0-242.docsis.hbci.com [64.213.219.242] (may be
AS> forged))
AS>         by mailserv.hbci.com (Switch-2.1.1/Switch-2.1.0) with SMTP id g42FqMi00603
AS>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:52:23 -0500 (CDT)
AS> Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:52:23 -0500 (CDT)
AS> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AS> From: jnban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AS> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AS> Subject: Worm Klez.E immunity
AS> MIME-Version: 1.0
AS> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
AS>         boundary=A8IV6z39Y8a42788G4e5


AS> -----Original Message-----
AS> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AS> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
AS> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:00 PM
AS> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AS> Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Klez.h



>>Hi, how do I tell where the Klez.h is really coming from? Thanks.

AS> The only way to know for sure is to check the first Received: header to see
AS> the IP address that it was sent from.  To find the user it came from, you
AS> would need to find someone responsible for the IP address it came from, and
AS> hope that they can track down the user.
AS>                          -Scott

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