Worn for some perhaps: would it be acceptable for those finding it 
worn to ignore the thread? Or perhaps those rumours of an "Off Topic" 
list are true? 
There are several reasons I find this interesting : 
I don't want to be the A-grade 30 years after the A-grade market has
dried up (hyperbole, but you can see my point).
I want to know which way things are going to go in the future.
I want to see what the sellers of a tool (that I am, at times, very
close to being tied into) are thinking about the software market as
it stands.
I want to see what the opinions of those who own/manage businesses 
(ie who hire us) are in terms of development.
I want to see what people, in my field, whose opinions I respect 
(Awww, You Guys) think about the current/future dev. market.
I have never seen a forum that can discuss these issues 
reasonably without descending into "Free Software is Not Open Source" 
or "Windows vs Linux" or "Bill vs RMS" pleasantries...
Also, while always Trying to be more of an engineer and less a geek
hacker, most people (me anyway) expect engineers to have pieces
of paper which say Engineer in big letters, which universities give to
people of a certain level, and which I don't have (and only just
noticed at this exact instant: am peculiarly proud of in a
screwed-up, backwards way...(is this the tall-poppy syndrome turned 
inwards: being upset at myself if I get above myself?)), and certainly
I would not be alone in being degreeless here. So perhaps thats another 
reason why I find this thread interesting: fear, the great motivator.
Also to "charge for experience, knowledge, and guidance" also includes
the unstated but implied evil of evils : "selling yourself".

Off topic? Probably.
Important? Hell yeah.

Anyway: shutting up now.
(except to say that bank managers Will find some of us a bit harder
to dethrone than the mechanics: how many of us can play that game too, 
compared to mechanics (and how much did banks directly rely on cars)).

Selah,
Kurt.

Leo Ramakers wrote:
> 
> Guys
> this thread is getting worn, but I think folks have a genuine concern for the
> future as they know it. When I was a kid my dad tried to interest me in training
> to be an A grade mechanic, at the time those guys were earning more than bank
> managers. Thats because the commodity (cars) were scarce, problematic, and
> valuable. But it only took a decade and bank managers regained the throne,
> because cars got common, cheap, reliable, and easy to fix.
> 
> Now we are seeing computing go the same way, my 650mhz 12 gig laptop cost me
> less now than the equivalent home micro that I first bought. So whether we like
> it or not, our work as A grade mechanics is not guaranteed forever. Soon the
> best dentistry application will be written by a dentist.
> 
> But, as engineers we are always well placed because we can charge for
> experience, knowledge, and guidance. So no need to worry about getting fed, but
> worry about keeping current.
> 
> Leo
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