Ok Heres a suggestion. Why does someone not email Richard and tell him what we all thought or rather expected to see from the presentation.
Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: "Phil Middlemiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of list delphi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:46:10 +1200 Subject: Re: [DUG]: Delphi 8 ? > I agree too. We use next to none of the RAD side of Delphi and focus > almost > entirely on OO stuff. I think Delphi is excellent for OO development. > It is true that we have had to write a lot of our own stuff (treeview, > editor, mapping component, report writer, streaming mechanism, form > ancestor) because the libraries available (a.k.a. component > collections) are > all RAD oriented... er, perhaps Delphi isn't that excellent after all. > I > don't actually know any more. I've not used C++ much so I don't know > what > the OO libraries are like (or Java etc). Let me rephrase this: as far > as > language features and ability goes, I find Delphi to be very useful for > OO > development. Hope that wasn't too non-commital ;-) > > Phil. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Conor Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Multiple recipients of list delphi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:04 PM > Subject: RE: [DUG]: Delphi 8 ? > > > > I agree 100% with what you're saying about the advantages of good OO > etc, > > and that a lot of Delphi developers are RAD not OO devs. > > > > However, I think Richard phrased things badly yesterday, and (I may > be > > wrong), but he basically said that if one wanted to do OO > development, one > > wouldn't choose Delphi. I disagree with that sentiment, and I > thought he > > was overly negative about Delphi as a language. > > > > There are quite a few people out there doing things like OPFs for > Delphi, > > which really make it feasible to do good OO stuff in Delphi. > > > > Just thought the whole presentation could have been better handled - > I'm > > sure Richard is a fine developer/consultant in his own right... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Conor > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andreas Toth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 1:53 p.m. > > To: Multiple recipients of list delphi > > Subject: RE: [DUG]: Delphi 8 ? > > > > Richard is a real character -- a good one. But he's right about > Delphi and > > OO. The majority of Delphi developers are RAD not OO developers. > There's > > quite a difference and he knows it since he's been caught out > himself. RAD > > may be fast but it's not maintainable like good OO. > > > > -Andreas > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of Conor Boyd > > Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:36 > > To: Multiple recipients of list delphi > > Subject: RE: [DUG]: Delphi 8 ? > > > > > > I agree about feeling a bit insulted. I felt I didn't really learn > much > > about D7 yesterday, which surprised me. > > > > I haven't met Richard before, but I felt that he would have lost a > lot of > > people during yesterday's demo. I felt I only followed what he was > doing, > > because I'd looked at both Modelmaker & Bold. I've seen Borland > sales > > support staff in Oz do much better presentations. > > > > I've heard a lot of people rave (no pun or reference to reporting > engines > > intended!) about Bold, especially in borland.public.delphi.oodesign > > > > We'll probably skip D6 & D7 and wait for Delphi.NET > > > > Cheers, > > > > Conor > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > We went from D4 to D6. XP support would be one of the few features > we > could > > use. The .Net stuff seems far too transient to spend time coding > for, we > > use Crystal reports and do OO already. I think calling all Delphi > users > non > > OO developers was a bit of an insult, VB (6 and below) programmers do > GUIs > > for databases, delphi is so much more. > > > > re Bold, it was nice that it automatically handled persistence and > data > > display for the user but seemed it could be somewhat inflexible. > After > > John's excellent presentation of D6 I was somewhat disappointed by > the > > presentation, did we really need to see Linux boot but not do > anything > with > > it? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > - > > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > > To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with body of "unsubscribe delphi" > > Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > - > > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > > To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with body of "unsubscribe delphi" > > Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > - > > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > > To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with body of "unsubscribe delphi" > > Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with body of "unsubscribe delphi" > Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body of "unsubscribe delphi" Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/
