BTW, we still don't have a +1 from any of the mentors. :-)
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com>wrote: > Mark, > > For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and enter > it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation. > > John > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote: > >> To come back to your fair points: >> >> I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of >> your points: >> >> * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is >> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well. >> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody >> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better >> name. >> >> * committers >> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?) >> This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very >> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing >> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few >> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and >> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot >> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about >> future contributions from each and everyone! >> Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added >> substantial contributions! >> >> The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or >> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard. >> >> >> >> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need >> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? >> >> Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because >> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better. >> >> >> LieGrue, >> strub >> >> >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure >> you force a page refresh) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com> >> > To: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg < >> strub...@yahoo.de> >> > Cc: "deltaspike-us...@incubator.apache.org" < >> deltaspike-us...@incubator.apache.org> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM >> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache >> Top Level Project >> > >> > Mark, >> > >> > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet. >> > Maybe another month or two :-) >> > >> > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the >> > documentation on incubator.a.o >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements >> > >> > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g. >> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH >> > has >> > no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to >> > general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it. >> > >> > However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation: >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't >> > believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I >> see on >> > the list that were not on >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now >> have >> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?) >> > >> > Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to >> graduate >> > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-) >> > >> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need >> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? >> > >> > John >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi John! >> >> >> >> I'm not sure I understand what you mean. >> >> >> >> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial >> committers >> >> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. >> Means >> >> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the >> CODI >> >> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either >> the >> >> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my >> opinion the >> >> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if >> there >> >> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a >> pretty >> >> stable set of 5+ regular committers. >> >> >> >> >> >> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break >> because I >> >> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short >> >> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be >> > happier >> >> if we would improve our release rate). >> >> >> >> >> >> LieGrue, >> >> strub >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >> > From: John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com> >> >> >To: deltaspike-us...@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg < >> >> strub...@yahoo.de> >> >> >Cc: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org> >> >> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM >> >> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an >> Apache >> >> Top Level Project >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Sorry, but -1 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI >> > team >> >> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to >> being a >> >> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two >> communities >> >> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and >> > often." >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single >> team >> >> and work on becoming that single team. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >John >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg >> > <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >Lords and Ladies. >> >> >> >> >> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of >> > the >> >> Incubator and establishing it as TLP. >> >> >> >> >> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it >> >> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care >> >> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because >> > of >> >> ${reason} >> >> >> >> >> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and >> > forward >> >> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is >> done, >> >> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting. >> >> >> >> >> >>LieGrue, >> >> >>strub >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------- >> >> >> >> >> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report >> >> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project >> >> >> >> >> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >> >> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >> >> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management >> >> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of >> >> >>open-source software related to creating a set >> >> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions >> >> >>for distribution at no charge to the public. >> >> >> >> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >> >> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike >> > Project", >> >> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the >> >> >>Foundation; and be it further >> >> >> >> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is >> >> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source >> >> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions; >> >> >>and be it further >> >> >> >> >> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache >> > DeltaSpike" be >> >> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to >> >> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair >> >> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary >> > responsibility >> >> >>for management of the projects within the scope of >> >> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further >> >> >> >> >> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >> >> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the >> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project: >> >> >> >> >> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org> >> >> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org> >> >> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> >> >> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com> >> >> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com> >> >> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org >> >> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de> >> >> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de> >> >> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com> >> >> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com> >> >> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com> >> >> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org> >> >> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org> >> >> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org> >> >> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me> >> >> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org> >> >> >> >> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg >> >> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to >> >> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the >> >> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until >> >> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, >> >> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further >> >> >> >> >> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is >> >> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to >> >> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the >> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further >> >> >> >> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby >> >> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache >> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further >> >> >> >> >> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache >> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator >> >> >>Project are hereafter discharged. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >
