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I see nothing at this address, well a blank screen, using Mozilla, but IE sees it fine! Anyone else seeing this? http://incubator.apache.org/derby/ Indeed the page source according to Mozilla is the compact <html><body></body></html> This page has the new forrest look ok in Mozilla http://incubator.apache.org/derby/index.html Dan. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB+bwgIv0S4qsbfuQRAsxNAJ41EI934WtQIuQJyU3stDbqSP8W8QCg5QMI xdCY7lLRR56f3nJ9hbqtnAw= =FICy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----