I still use Derby as part of ActiveMQ Artemis, and also ActiveMQ
class, for our tests.

As part of our testsuite, I need to validate our basic SQL interfaces
would work as required.. it has been a good tool for our testsuite.

If you intend to retire Derby I wonder what I would use into our
testsuite validation though?



On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 2:55 PM Jerry Lampi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> We use Derby daily.  Our customers use Derby daily.
> Our sentiments precisely match Roy Minet's:
>
> "Retiring Derby" sounds unnecessarily scary. What it means is ending further 
> development and support, but Derby will continue to be alive, well, and 
> available. Is that correct?
>
> I have used Derby for years and have yet to have any problems with it. I 
> employ a good range of SQL capabilities, but try to avoid (what I would 
> consider) excessive complexity. Derby is good and valuable software and I 
> thank you profusely for it!
>
> I'm about five years behind (using 10.14.2.0), but have not so far been 
> motivated to move to a latter version (if it ain't broke, don't fix it). Of 
> course, there are alternatives to Derby as well, but I have not so far seen 
> any reason to change. What I am most interested in is your advice for someone 
> in my situation.
>
>
> Stick with 10.14.2.0. It's possible that some change in a latter version 
> could cause a problem.
> Move to (the apparently final version) 10.17.1.0 and "standardize" on that. 
> There are some enhancements and bug fixes in there that I may encounter the 
> need for in the future.
> Move to one of the other embeddable RDBMS. (Which would you recommend?)
>
> We are eternally grateful to Rick, Bryan, and the Derby community. It's a 
> wonderful piece of software.
>
> Jerry Lampi
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rick Hillegas <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2025 12:26 PM
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Derby Discussion 
> <[email protected]>
> Subject: [DISCUSS] Retiring Derby
>
> It has been almost two years since the Derby sub-project published a new
> version. I myself have no interest in managing another Derby release.
> Bryan is the only other active Derby committer. Bugs are reported
> occasionally but they are never fixed. Mailing-list activity consists
> almost entirely of spam rejects. No-one has volunteered to refresh the
> Derby website with the new Apache logo.
>
> I think that the time has come to retire Derby. As I understand it, this
> means putting Derby into a read-only state:
>
> o The Derby repository would become read-only.
>
> o Distributions would be removed from the Download tab.
>
> o The developer and user lists would be closed down. Mailing list
> archives would still be browsable.
>
> o A prominent banner would be added to the Derby website landing page,
> stating that Derby was now retired and read-only.
>
> o The Derby website, JIRA, and wiki would be placed in read-only mode.
>
> Before calling a retirement vote, I would like to give the developer and
> user communities an opportunity to discuss this change.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
> -Rick
>
>
>


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Clebert Suconic

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