Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
If a JMX action does not require obtaining a JDBC connection to the database then I would say db-authr is not applicable (which appears similar to being ignored). db-authr defines the state of a user's JDBC connection into the database (it's now called connection level authorization), thus it can only apply if a connection is being obtained.

That makes sense to me as well. I think I have been somewhat confused about when Derby's user authorization should apply. For example, the Developer's Guide says [1]:

"When you specify user authorizations, Derby verifies that a user has been granted permission to access a system, database, object, or SQL action.

There are two types of user authorization in Derby, connection authorization and SQL authorization. Connection authorization specifies the access that users have to connect to a system or database."

I was (am) not sure what a system means in this context, and how that is possibly different from a database / JDBC connection request.

I'm also assuming that the required expectation is followed at all times (from the wiki):

"A valid JMX user (a user able to connect via JMX to Derby's MBeanServer) must not be able to access information or perform operations that would otherwise be restricted by Derby's existing security mechanisms (authentication, authorization, Security Manager, etc.)."

Right, thanks for clarifying...

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I'm using database authentication to mean the check that is invoked at the database level (JDBC connection request) regardless of how it is configured.

Ah, I see.

You are using the term system authentication to mean the check that is invoked at the database level if it is configured using system properties (which I agree *may* have the authentication as the system one, an application's implementation of authentication could implement different checks based upon being system or database).

I almost think I know what you mean...
I'll give myself some time to chew on this and come back with more questions if I'm still fuzzy regarding that last part ;)

Either way, I think we agree to connect to a database only a single authentication step is required.

True.

Thanks!

[1]: http://db.apache.org/derby/docs/dev/devguide/cdevcsecure36595.html

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John

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