Hi, I just saw some Calligra screenshots which reminded me of this diskussion:
http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/spring-900x540.png http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/karbon-logo.png just a hint. Maybe we can learn something from their approach best regards Christopher Am 10.06.2011 16:17, schrieb Christian Vielma: > Hi everyone. The ideas you're commenting are great. > > I also thought in a search bar from where you could activate directly some > functions (activate bold, insert table, etc) > > I made a fast mock-up, sorry about many details in it, i hope the idea is > correctly expressed. I uploaded it here (didn't know how to upload it to the > LibreOffice wiki): > > http://www.librethinking.com/index/images/OpenProjects/LibreOffice/libreofficedrawersmockup.png > > I tried to integrate the ideas that were expressed here and other ones i > thought. I will explain the mock up and mention the ideas in the design: > > 1. *This could be the "Libre Menu"*, all the functions that affect the > whole application (new, open, save, save as, print, share, etc) in the MS > Office 2007/Firefox 4/Unity style. > 2. This could be the customized toolbar that was mentioned first by > Fernando and later by Phil and Patrick. *I call it "My Toolbar".* You can > drag functions from the "Drawers" to this toolbar, or something like "right > click -> add button". Also, taking Patrick and others idea this > dock/toolbar > could hide automatically. > 3. *Here is what i called "LibreFinder" *is a complete application search > tool that can help you find the functions you need. How many times it > happens that you are working (using LO or MSO), and you ask "where the hell > was the footnote option?", well that wouldn't be a problem now, you can > search "footnote" and directly clic the option from the search dropdown > ajax-alike field. > 4. *This are the "Drawers"*. I remove the left empty side of the document > and take advantage of all the empty space on the right side to make a good > space for this Drawers. I also put them on the right side thinking in the > growing of Ubuntu Unity or Gnome Shell that will be on the left. This > Drawers could be Maximized to show all the options (using the button > highlighted with 5), Unmaximized (default size, could be unmaximized using > the button highlighted with 6 when Maximized), or it can be hidden (using > the button highlighted with 6 when in default size). In the Default size > could be shown the most used functions as Patrick or Phil mentioned or > there > could be a scroll to look for other functions. Sorry i didn't got time to > put buttons on these Drawers :S > 5. Maximize button disabled when reached the maxsize. > 6. Minimize/hide button. > 7. Hide All button (could hide all the Drawers at once) > 8. Free space for other LO options like in impress when is shown the > presentation design/etc (this could be removed and increase the drawers > size > or pass "my toolbar" to the right side instead of been in the top. > 9. This is a button that i thought could be cool. I called it "Share > Button", you could use thi button to upload the document in Google Docs, > Dropbox, Ubuntu One, Send it by mail, Twitter, etc. > > > I divided the Drawers in similar names to those in MSO for simplicity and > make it quick, but LibreOffice could have it owns classification. > > I agree with others that there could be Edit Time context Menus and other > functional ideas. > > I selected the colors using the main page colors of LibreOffice. > > Please tell me what you think about it. > > Best Regards, > > > > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:32 PM, planas <jsloz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would >> animate >>> and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a >> list >>> or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still >> be >>> on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in >>> this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut >> back >>> as a compromise.. >>> >>> Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs >>> polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:< >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png> >>> LibreOfficeMockup.png< >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png> >>> Thanks again, >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark <christopherst...@gmx.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> it looks quite nice. >>>> >>>> Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think >> LibreOffice >>>>> could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish >> and >>>> is >>>>> very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired >> by >>>> the >>>>> concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical >> screen >>>>> space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of >>>> horizontal >>>>> screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a summary of the proposed changes: >>>>> >>>>> -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but >> should be >>>>> hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be >> recallable >>>>> using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) >>>> Good thing that it's hidden by default. >>>> I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the >>>> user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. >>>> If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar >>>> would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now >>>> in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column >>>> all the time. >>>> >>>>> - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the >> top >>>>> panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since >>>> there >>>>> is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it >>>>> >>>>> -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now >>>> exist >>>>> in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare >> in >>>> mind >>>>> that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning >> up) >>>>> -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' >> operations >>>> and >>>>> other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' >>>>> dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome >>>>> browser). >>>>> >>>>> -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a >> screenshot >>>> of >>>>> LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. >> Features >>>>> from the context menu should be graphically represented here and >>>> categorized >>>>> along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features >> found >>>> in >>>>> the original toolbars >>>>> Here is a link to the mockup: >>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png >>>>> >>>>> <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png>I >> think >>>> that >>>>> with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to >> this >>>>> approach. >>>>> >>>>> - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating >> us >>>>> from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. >>>>> - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent >>>> with >>>>> it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather >> than >>>>> sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) >>>>> - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, >> the >>>>> sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up >>>> over >>>>> 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in >>>> Writer >>>>> where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. >>>> Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still >>>> have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never >>>> understood this stupid wide screen hype) >>>> >>>>> - As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over >> in >>>> the >>>>> sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our >> imagine >>>>> such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc >> (I >>>>> simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a >>>>> layout)... >>>>> >>>>> Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people >> have >>>> been >>>>> discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those >>>>> suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like >> those >>>> as >>>>> well as others like tabbed documents could be added. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 8 June 2011 13:05, Phil Howard <imagin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Christopher >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I can imagine a kind of mixture of toolbars/docks/ribbons now. A >>>>>> toolbar that is resized larger becomes a ribbon, which can be >> dragged >>>>>> over to a side to become a dock. One dock (the top one?) fills with >>>>>> frequently used icons, and the user can drag things onto that. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like Christian's idea of being able to open a drawer further for >> the >>>>>> complete set of actions - since these are the rarely used items, >> they >>>>>> need to be in consistent positions. That way the 'ajar' (shallow >> open) >>>>>> view can change and show frequently used items, but the fully open >>>>>> drawer is always consistent. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do think that a large part of improving UIs is getting rid of >>>>>> irrelevant things. If nothing is selected, you need to be able to >>>>>> switch input modes (bold/italics or draw line/shape) or views, or to >>>>>> insert new objects, but not to edit object properties (delete >> column). >>>>>> The converse is true if you have selected something. I think MS were >>>>>> driving at that with the Ribbon - apart from a different view of the >>>>>> menus, the Ribbon's difference from the past is showing >>>>>> context-dependent menus when objects are selected. >>>>>> >>>>>> One concept I'm very keen on which helps reduce UI glut is >> localising >>>>>> controls. Office 2007 introduced local context edit panels - if you >>>>>> right click on some text, as well as the context menu, a panel >> appears >>>>>> with B, U, I etc. Another instance of local controls is 37signals' >>>>>> tools where hovering over a list item reveals handles to >> drag-reorder, >>>>>> delete etc, which disappear when you mouseout. The GIMP and old Unix >>>>>> window managers had everything (inc File, Edit etc) on a right-click >>>>>> menu, even when the actions were not context-dependent, which was >>>>>> confusing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess I'm saying less is better. So limit what's visible to what's >>>>>> useable, and localise controls to the object. That leaves just >>>>>> context-independent tools and mode switches in a dock. >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried to mock up a toolbar/ribbon/menu but it turned into a bit of >> a >>>>>> nesting blob that wouldn't work on small screens. I might try again >>>>>> with less stuff... >>>>>> >>>>>> Phil H >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Phil Jackson <sapi...@clear.net.nz> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Sonic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's fine! - so long as it is easy enough to view. Just let us >> know >>>>>> when >>>>>>> it is ready. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phil Jackson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/8/2011 11:26 AM, Sonic Spuds wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Phil Jackson<sapi...@clear.net.nz >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Christian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can you do a mock-up of this and give us a link to see what this >>>> might >>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>> like? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use something as simple as Paint and then use cut and paste to >> move >>>>>>>>> blocks around to get a final design. Quick and easy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Phil Jackson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2011 10:07 AM, Christian Vielma wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from >> Venezuela >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> i'm >>>>>>>>>> interested in improving LibreOffice. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see >>>> images >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> how could it be in order to understand better. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I had an idea of using things like "drawers". Those are similar >> to >>>>>> tabs >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> MS Office, but you could "open" as many drawers as you want and >> have >>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that >> you >>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> most. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented, >>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> could have a dock with the options you use most and "open >> drawers" >>>> to >>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>> for functions that you would like to drag to the dock. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for >> example >>>> in >>>>>>>>>> Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i >>>> would >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> to extend it to be drawers instead of menues. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledger< >>>>>> scottpledger2...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hey Fernando, >>>>>>>>>>> Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments >>>>>>>>>>> automatically >>>>>>>>>>> so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm >>>>>>>>>>> reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's >> not >>>>>>>>>>> forget >>>>>>>>>>> about it as we continue forward! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Scott >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade >>>>>>>>>>> <fernandofreamu...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the >> graphical >>>>>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Libre Office. >>>>>>>>>>>> It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic >>>>>>>>>>>> and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface. >>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>> made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they >> introduced in >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> market the new interface, although many people didn't like it >>>>>> nowadays >>>>>>>>>>>> people cant use other interface, because the MS Office >> interface >>>>>>>>>>>> have eye-candy and is useful and productive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the >> difference, >>>> i >>>>>>>>>>> picked >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep, >> and >>>>>>>>>>>> aplied >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of >> MS >>>>>>>>>>>> Office, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like >> docky >>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock >>>> concept, >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> thing i call docklet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop >> icons to >>>>>>>>>>>> add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove >> the >>>>>> ones >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the >> info >>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> options that we have. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic, >>>> Underlined, >>>>>>>>>>> font, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful >> menu, >>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> a beautiful icon. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: rffff.bmp] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept >> of >>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> new. >>>>>>>>>>>> the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or >> Ubuntu, >>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>> it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept >>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>>> replay >>>>>>>>>>>> to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept, >>>> this >>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms >> paint... >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your time; >>>>>>>>>>>> Open regards; >>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando Andrade >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> design+h...@libreoffice.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>>>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >>>>>>>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and >>>> cannot >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> design+h...@libreoffice.org >>>>>>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >>>>>>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and >> cannot >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org >>>>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >>>>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and >> cannot >>>> be >>>>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Phil, >>>>>>>> The best way to handel a UI mockup is to work in Inkscape or >> another >>>>>> fully >>>>>>>> compliant SVG editor. This allows you or others to make quick >> tweaks >>>> or >>>>>>>> fixes to the design, and has the benefit of being basically the >> same >>>> way >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> the final UI will be built. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Sonic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org >>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >> be >>>>>>> deleted >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org >>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >> be >>>>>> deleted >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org >>>> Posting guidelines + more: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> deleted >>>> >> I have a large 4x3 monitor and would prefer a side menu personally. The >> real question is how many still use smallish monitors about 12"/355mm >> versus a 17"/480mm or larger monitor. >> >> >> -- >> Jay Lozier >> jsloz...@gmail.com >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
