On 10/19/2015 12:57 PM, Stephen Michel wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop> wrote: >> On 10/19/2015 12:30 PM, Stephen Michel wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Bryan Richter <b...@chreekat.net >> <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:43:26PM +0200, mray wrote: On >> 18.10.2015 21:18, Aaron Wolf wrote: > > We want people to >> think is "I get the project $15 more dollars, and I > only had >> to chip in $6! Thanks everyone, all you 2,470 others! I'm so > >> glad we're all working together to support this!" I don't >> think we want that at all. This makes it sound as if this is a >> big bragain. Then I think the message should be more clear. >> First off, it's crucial that people realize "When I give the >> project 6 bucks, it actually receives 15 since other people >> match me." That is THE Snowdrift model. :) Matching-funds is >> one of the crucial differentating features of Snowdrift, so if >> people don't like it, they won't like Snowdrift. And if they >> DO like it — which they should — we should highlight it so >> they understand it's what we do. We should be proud of it. >> This fallacious good feeling is entirely based on the naive >> idea that you will never be asked to give more yourself - >> maybe way beyond $15 dollar. Isn't it two different things to >> say, "Your funds will be matched by others," and, "Your >> donation won't change over time?" We can easily say the first >> one without making false claims about the second. >> _______________________________________________ Design mailing >> list Design@lists.snowdrift.coop >> <mailto:Design@lists.snowdrift.coop> >> <mailto:Design@lists.snowdrift.coop> >> https://lists.snowdrift.coop/mailman/listinfo/design >> >> +1 to all of this. I'd like to highlight a different way of >> pitching it: When you donate originally, your donation will be >> matched by all current donors. When a new donor joins on, there's >> now another person to match you, so your donation increases a >> little bit (and is matched). >> >> To be precise, if you're an average patron, then when you *first* >> pledge, you are basically matched 1:1. But then every additional small >> amount you put it after that is matched many times over, maybe >> thousands-to-one! If you are the 5,000th patron and everyone's at the >> base level, then your initial $5 is basically matched by $5 from >> others. But when the *next* patron joins, your extra 0.1¢ is part of >> an extra $10 — your extra is matched 10,000 to one!! > > I'm not sure this is the right way to think about it. If I'm the 5,000th > patron, my initial $5 is matched 1:1. Now the next patron joins, and I > add .1¢. Say I decide $5.001 is too much to pay, so I decide to drop > out. The project loses my $5.0001, and $5 from the other patrons > decreasing their pledge. Still 1:1. > > I stick by this way of describing it: When I initially pledge, all ~5k > patrons match .1¢ of my donation. When the next person joins, they match > my additional .1¢.
Yes, when you drop out, it's a 1:1 loss, but it is literally true that if you accept your $5 as a given, then your *acceptance* of giving $5.001 *literally* means that your extra is indeed matched over and over by every single other patron. It is factually true, not a weird spin, that your agreement to donate more is matched by everyone else's agreement to donate more, and so all patrons are getting matched many times over for each *extra* they add beyond their initial level. This is precisely true and how it works. You do *not* only get the matching from the new patron, you *also* get matched by everyone else. -- Aaron Wolf Snowdrift.coop <https://snowdrift.coop> _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design@lists.snowdrift.coop https://lists.snowdrift.coop/mailman/listinfo/design
