On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Jared Zimmerman <[email protected]>wrote:
> Ryan, what about the argument that the font system will automatically do a > replacement for Helvetia neue You mean "Helvetica"; but we're talking about the Georgia, serif font font stack for headers. > , rather than going to the next font in the list, effectively putting the > choice in some Linux developers hands rather that ours? > On Ubuntu, the equivalent font substitutions are Nimbus Roman No9 L for "Times", and Tinos, Liberation Serif, Thorndale, and Thorndale AMT for "Times New Roman"; of the latter set I only have Liberation Serif (note it's not the Linux Libertine that Kaldari recommends), so I get that one. So the equivalent of font-family: "Helvetica Neue", "Helvetica", "Nimbus Sans L", "Arial", "Liberation Sans", sans-serif; is something like: font-family: "Georgia", "Times", "Linux Libertine", serif; As I said when we discussed sans-serif font stack ([Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?), if we prefer the open source font (for the criteria Denis Jacquerye mentions), then we should list it before the proprietary font. The problem remains: getting designers and l10n advisers to install and verifiably use these open source fonts on Mac and Windows in order to make the call. Nobody responded to http://jsfiddle.net/UPBUH/7/ with useful info on what Android, Mac, or Windows does, but it's still there if someone wants to add the serif fonts. -- =S Page Features engineer
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