<quote name="Steven Walling" date="2014-03-10" time="17:47:56 +0000">
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Greg Grossmeier <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > There's a lot of changes in Typography Refresh. One of the many is the
> > font css rule. The majority are changes that do not implicate the
> > Freeness of anything. The font does. The font change (originally) only
> > had a benefit to Mac OS users (right?).
> >
>
> No.
Awesome.
>
> > Now the font change (after
> > Ryan's amazing work, which should have been done at the beginning) it
> > includes a benefit for people who will now get Liberation instead of
> > DejaVu (right?).
> >
> > So, if my two (right?)'s above are correct, that makes me feel like the
> > design team only cared about OSX/iOS users before, and only after a LOT
> > of complaining on the various lists and bugs and such did they put in
> > the effort to see IF they could improve the experience for non-Apple
> > products.
> >
>
> Again no. We tested on Linux systems starting months ago, with the
> developers who have been working on this. Several of our iterations were
> focused on trying out free/open fonts to put first, and getting feedback
> about that.
Cool. That's great.
> > I find it also corroborated by the request from a Design team
> > member for access to a Windows computer to do testing on *last week*.
> >
>
> Vibha asked for a Windows machine because she does not normally do testing
> on Windows herself, as a designer. The developers and product managers do
> this testing, and we all sit down (or share screenshots remotely) to take a
> look. Kaldari, who was working with Vibha at the time, doesn't trust
> virtual machine-based testing of fonts. That's why they asked for a Windows
> machine.
Makes sense, sorry for misinterpreting it.
>
> > That may or may not be an accurate way to describe the situation,
> > historically, but that's how the narrative can easily be interpreted and
> > it is what I'm feeling from these discussions where I'm being told my
> > preference for not promoting proprietary stuff is "irrational."
> >
>
> This is not an accurate or fair representation. This kind of attitude ("all
> designers care about is OSX") is the kind of pernicious meme that drives
> good designers away from working on free software projects. It's akin to
> saying "women don't participate in $free_project because they aren't
> interested in working on free software".
Sorry, I didn't mean to say that all designers only care about OSX, but
based on my (apparently incorrect) understanding above that's what this
specific change seemed like to me.
So, thanks for the clarifications of my (mis)understanding.
May I ask the design team to update
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh with the current state
of affairs/plans and what the changes mean for various platforms (as
best as we can assume, I know how dumb the general font-rending
non-deterministicness is)?
Thanks,
Greg
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