On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, MZMcBride <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jon Robson wrote:
> >On 27 Mar 2015 2:11 am, "Quim Gil" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>The last editor is not that relevant (and quite often it will be a bot),
> >
> > Yet more people click on it for whatever reason:
> >http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/#other-graphs-tab.
>
> This is an incredibly spurious argument.


Sigh. Nowhere am I arguing. I give up on this mailing list thread.


> You're manipulating the meaning
> of data to fit your own purposes. Is there _any_ bold link that you could
> place on top of every English Wikipedia mobile article that wouldn't
> receive substantial traffic given the overall amount of traffic that the
> site receives? Of course not.
>
> You linked to this same graph to justify the existence of the horrible
> Special:UserProfile (i.e., "look, people are visiting it!"). Tell me, of
> the users who click on this username link in the mobile strapline, what
> percentage find the content helpful? What percentage immediately click
> back to the previous page? If you moved the strapline to the bottom of the
> article, how quickly would you stop citing a graph on wmflabs.org (trusted
> stats source that it is...)?
>
> > More generally we really need to pay attention to our data and rely on
> >it more. I see far too many changes across the site based on guesswork
> >and personal preferences and that's an anti pattern we need to reverse.
>
> You mean like pointing to a graph showing that a link placed very
> prominently somehow means that the underlying feature is a good idea? That
> kind of specious reasoning? The anti-pattern is your behavior here.
>
> > Now we have a ux research team and ways to a/b test we can test
> >different designs and see if they generate the correct behaviour.
>
> Just to recap, you want to take a feature intended to humanize Wikipedia
> and turn it into a feature in which you can treat every visitor as a lab
> rat ready to be tested upon without their consent? Maybe instead of
> treating site visitors and readers as customers, we could treat them as
> colleagues and stop wasting their limited screen real estate with a
> relatively useless mobile strapline. Just a thought.
>
> MZMcBride
>
>
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