Hi Manuel,

As a Palm os handheld user since the original Palm
came out in 1998, I have found all of it's apps useful
except the To Do app which as you describe is not
useful in practical life due to the very reasons you
describe.

I would fully agree with your line of thinking here. 
Furthermore, I would go on to suggest that Checklists
should be able to be embedded within Memos using a
simple protocol similar to adding bullet lists.  In
the Palm the bullet list for example is added by doing
a diagonal stroke from top left to bottom right and
then tapping a dot.  A check list item might be added
in some similar fashon on handhelds and keyboard
shortcut within individual memos.  This would allow us
to say attach a memo to a calendar event such as
"Wife's Birthday Party".  Within the memo, we could
then form a check lists as needed in free form style
as you describe.  I would find this type of approach
to To Do lists rather than a generic To Do list app
which over the past seven years of Palm usage has been
utterly useless to me.

Regards,
Selva

--- Manuel Renz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to write a bit about the sub task thingy
> which is still marked as  
> "Debatable Feature" on  
>
http://wiki.osafoundation.org/bin/view/Chandler/TasksFeatureList
> I did a quick search on this topic and here are some
> links that may be  
> interesting, too.
>
http://archive.neotonic.com/archive/osaf-design/msg/893
>
http://archive.neotonic.com/archive/osaf-design/msg/457
>  - this link  
> mostly talks about higher features
> 
> So first of all you can call this feature
> "Checklist" and this is IMHO a  
> better description of what we are talking about.
> Imagine you have to prepare a little party in a few
> weeks. What sense does  
> it make to have 10 different tasks which all deal
> with this party, mixed  
> up wiht all other tasks? Isn't it better to have  a
> checklist? Furthermore  
> I do not want to set up a project with all its
> complicated settings.
> 
> Example:
> 
>   [ ] invitations for party
>   [ ] Party - buy drinks
>   [ ] buy ink for printer
>   [ ] select music for party
>   [ ] get tickets for cornerstone fest
>   [ ] ask John for help preparing the food (party)
> 
> vs.
> -[ ] buy ink for printer
> -[ ] Prepare party
>      -[ ] invitations (needs ink)
>      -[ ] buy drinks
>      -[ ] select music
>      -[ ] ask John for help preparing the food
> -[ ] get tickets for cornerstone fest
> 
> and vs.
> -[ ] buy ink for printer
> +[ ] Prepare party
> -[ ] get tickets for cornerstone fest
> 
> 
> I know that this may be a intersection with project
> management, but life  
> consists of hundreds of little projects.
> But those everyday life projects do not need a gant
> graph and a detailed  
> costs coverage.
> 
> An dependencie in the example above would be, that
> before the inviatations  
> can be checked as "Done!" the "Buy ink" task has to
> be finished. But the  
> "Buy ink" task has nothing in common with the party
> invitation, itself.
> 
> The next point is, if we do not have sub-tasks, or
> better call it  
> checklists, you have to mention the buzzword in
> every task title to get a  
> quick overview. Or you have to set up categories,
> which in this case is  
> not a practicable way to get it done, till you get
> an obsolet categorie  
> when the party is over.
> 
> I think a "checklist" is a more everyday life
> approach. When implementing  
> this feature of course it is a sub task.
> But it is possible to provide a different UI view
> for the same feature.  
> You can do it the classical way with a tree view 
> and the "Sub taks"  
> terminology or you do it with a "Checklist"  that
> contain tasks and of  
> course other "Checklists".
> Despite that it's  really the same feature as it's
> available in todays  
> software, the new named feature offers an easy way
> to manage your  
> day-to-day projects.
> 
> Okay I hope you understand what I mean. And sorry
> for my bad English.
> 
> greetz & blessings
> Manuel Renz
> -- 
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