Mimi:

To this e mail I will answer you between lines.

Thanks,

Daniel


I like the overall structure of design sketches you put forth. I have a personal bias in favor of what I call "push-button" UIs, where the user is given a few levers with which to control what they see or don't see in the UI. This can apply to both the data you see (by using Filter buttons) and/or chrome elements  (ie. Apple does this with iCal with buttons for Mini-cal, Detail view, List view, Task list)
Sorry Mimi, although I have looked it up on the dictionary, I am not completely sure what you mean by "personal bias" if its either positive or negative and in what extent.
I would appreciate you clarify me on that matter.

This is as opposed to relying on the user to formulate their own filters either in the Search box or by defining their own rule-based search folder (ie. Smart playlists, Outlook search folders.)

The one thing to clarify though is that all Collections in Chandler are in effect Filters. Because of bi-directionality, a collection is simply an attribute on the items that are members of that collection.
Now I understand it as a consequence of reading "Complex in what way"


(Sidebar collections are also handy as filters because they both filter the view and are also office drop targets as a way to assign the filter value to items.)

So if the user creates a collection called Home or Work or Soccer, just by creating and naming the collection, they've created filters for Home, Work and Soccer.

The default attribute name for such collections will probably be something like Tag. So items that are placed into Home, Work or Soccer will automatically be Tagged as Home, Work or Soccer.

But users can also be more specific about their collections. This is not just some Tag collection, this is a Project=Home repairs collection.

You can also think of it as: Collections are single-attribute rules. They are always defined as some attribute: attribute value pair that is imprinted on all of their member items.
Understood.
I really like the idea of defining filters as a consequence, not to have to think as an user how to define a filter so as to make it.
I agree on the fact that users rarely end up doing this.


The second issue is whether or not David Allen projects should be modeled as Items with clusters or as Collections in the sidebar. 

I think you're idea to have semantically meaningful schema (set of attributes) for different kinds of collections is great. (ie. Project: collections might have due dates, milestones (that show up on the calendar) and Goals. Scrapbook Album: collections might have a narrative area, year-range, etc)
>From this explanation I will put forward another email with a little idea on the Scrapbook Album


However, I think we may be using the word Project in different ways. It seems like the type of project you're describing (and please let me know if I'm completely off) is what we've been calling a capital "P" project. One that relatively long term. Big. Might involve multiple people. Chandler's 0.6 release might be such a project.

These definitely belong in the sidebar.

The lower-case "p" projects I was talking about last time are often mistaken as tasks by a lot of people. In fact a lot of people don't really keep task lists, they only bother to write down their tasks at the lower-case "p" project-granularity. 

"p"rojects don't last very long. There are literally dozens and dozens of them and people tend to think of them as items.
On this matter I have a bit of mixed feelings on the subject.
To DA GTD there are no things as lower case "p" projects and capital "P" projects.
He says more or less that anything that takes more than one step is in fact a project no matter the simplicity or how complicated it might be.
I think he just might be right.
That is why I made a distinction between work from home or work from personal.
Maybe this way you wont mix "go to the vet for the dog and do..." with Chandlers 0.6 release.
We all understand that they have different importance in the user but I would say none is more important than the other, they might be more important depending on the hat you are wearing.
So I believe a filter like personal/private to work is almost a must.

From our research on the kinds of things people put in their sidebar, I think it would be hard to convince people to use such a heavyweight affordance to manage "p"rojects, which is primarily why we want them to be able to start out with a task and then expand that task to become a project with sub-tasks.
As you put in the paper "Complex in What Way?" I believe that task will remain tasks. The thing is more like if you do it faster and more efficient in which way.
It´s more about efficiency than complexity. Maybe what we need is only a mind trigger.

The types of items that people DO bother to put in their sidebars are more long-term areas of responsibility (which maps nicely to David Allen's areas of responsibility as well).

They tend to be things that don't go away, but more or less define the scope of your life. The rate at which they are born and die is relatively low. (This is not to say there aren't significant exceptions to this. But I think the heavyweight-ness of sidebar collections shapes what kinds of things people use it for.)

Examples are things like: HR issues, Travel, Amazon receipts, OSAF, design list, bugs, status reports, etc...
This paragraphs were enlightening to me, because it described what I did in the past with the sidebar and what should I have done.
What people use it most (the sidebar) is really for reference material that for projects.
I will expand on this matter in another e mail, since I believe it deserves it.

Yours,

Daniel Vareika
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