on Tue Dec 16 2008, duanedesign <duanedesign-AT-gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for taking the time to submit this bug. Everyones input is
> very important in the development of Ubuntu. 

Thank you for your prompt reply,

I must say it's very encouraging to get a response that doesn't start
with "have you tried this in the unreleased version of ubuntu to see if
it's still an issue?"

> It looks like you have three problems (bugs) here that need
> addressing.
>
> 1. You have a feature request: Power Manager should offer additional
> options beyond sleep.

No, not necessarily.  I want PM to start by defining what it means by
"sleep!"  All of the labels in the UI and text in the documentation is
vague at best about what the thing is actually supposed to be doing.

My feature request is specifically that PM offer the ability to have the
monitor power down after a certain period of inactivity.  Ideally it
would be possible to have the screensaver run for some period, for
entertainment purposes, but then shut off and power down the monitor
after a bit.  LCD monitors come back almost instantly, so it isn't
nearly the liability that it was in the days of CRTs.

> 2. You have a support problem: Your power manager is not working correctly : 
> "put
> display to sleep" controls have no effect at all.

> see if this helps:
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/FAQ#head-5d4d7bb306ca154c956e3ef69dae036942f6cf40

That reads

  "Why does GNOME Power Manager not let me suspend or hibernate?"

Sorry, I can't see how that's relevant.  Besides GPM does let me do both
those things (not reliably, of course, but that's the subject of a whole
suite of other bug reports).

> If the problem persists to help in fixing that problem could you please 
> attach the
> resulting log file of: gnome-power-bugreport.sh &> gpm.log to the
> report? 

You must have overlooked it:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/308815/comments/1

> Also take a
> look at the Debugging instructions located at:
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager
> for any other logs related to your problem that you can submit with your 
> report.

Already done.  Nothing jumped out at me as relevant.  If you have a
specific suggestion, please make it.

> 3. the man page

I'm not talking about the man page; I'm talking about what you get when
you click the "Help" button in gome-power-preferences.

> should be more clear.

No, I'm not saying they're unclear; I'm saying they're **useless** and
**incorrect**.  I don't mean to be strident, but please re-read my
message again. Seriously, they show pictures of UI elements that don't
exist in reality, and most of the little text that is there has the
semantic value equivalent of adding the comment: "increment i" to a a
line of 'C' that reads "++i", which is to say no value at all.

> I would re submit this with a detailed description of what you would
> like to see and attach this bug to Ubuntu-docs package.

This is really disappointing.  I understand that in the open source
world we all have to contribute (and I do), but here you are asking a
user for more than a complete suggestion or even a bugfix.  You are
essentially asking me to do the entire documentation job, including
taking screenshots, myself.  Even that wouldn't be so unreasonable, but I
have just told you that the documentation doesn't make it clear what
this interface does!  So you want me to read the source code, figure out
what it does, divine the original intention of the authors with respect
to the functionality, and document that?  I'm sorry, no.  That is the
maintainers' responsibility.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com

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Display sleep settings are bogus
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308815
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