On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 00:39, Jonathan Marsden <jmars...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> My change to the summary line was trying (apparently inadequately, since > you undid it!) to suggest that the issue is not really "locale settings > not respected by Gnome". Locale settings most definitely *are* > respected by Gnome, when they are set in /etc/environment, or when set > from the gdm login screen. > > Rephrasing a bit: the issue being reported is (as I understand it[...]): > Gnome does not use locale settings which are set > in the user's shell initialization file. Sorry! I've updated the status to reflect that. I was simply trying to say that the problem is not Bash-specific. But I see your point.... > The question then becomes: Should Gnome in fact examine and use such > settings, since Gnome does not itself necessarily use any per-session > shell at all! Why would Gnome be expected to look in a user's shell > initialization file? Is there documentation out there that says it > should or will do so? Good question. I've simply been assuming, intuitively, that my shell initialization is where I put all environment variables, commands to be run on login, etc. (A quick test showed that my `echo "foobar" >> Desktop/filename` that I added to ~/.zshrc was run once when logging into Gnome, so I don't think my assumption is too far off? That discovery is confusing.) I am not sure there is really > much of a case for saying that Gnome *should* be parsing shell > initialization files to look for locale settings -- is there? I'm open > to hearing the argument that it should really do that, but trying to > look at this from the user's viewpoint, I don't (yet?) see why it > should. I think the point isn't that Gnome should look for locale settings, but that it should parse anything in the shell's initialization file once and only once. > The shell respects the locale settings set in the global environment and > its initialization file(s); Gnome respects the locale settings in the > global environment and it is own initialization files. (For example, > have you considered setting locale-related variables in ~/.xsession, if > you want to explore this kind of thing? Maybe in ~/.dmrc ??) No, I haven't tried any of this; I've researched the topic a half dozen times over the years and have found scant documentation/explanation. I even brought it up on the seemingly ignored gnome-list—and, of course, got no answers: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2008-September/msg00003.html. Logically, if you are using a GUI, then you set its locale at GUI > session startup, just as you would set a shell's locale at shell > startup. Each has a different way to specify its initial settings > (though of course both respect the global environment). > > Does this make sense? Yes, I suppose. But that leaves the question: where do I put environment variables that apply to "me", i.e. in a graphical setting and a terminal one? /etc/environment is not appropriate (I'm only changing the locale settings for my username) and I've never heard about anything else other than what you mention above. :) If you have any ideas, I'd love to hear them! I'm reopening this, but I understand why you set it to Incomplete for the time being. I'm still convinced *something* is not clear, but it could easily be my understanding of login/profile/variable initialization. But if this isn't a bug, I'd think there should be some documentation somewhere explaining why (not). -- Locale settings in shell initialization not used by GNOME session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/306591 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to meta-gnome2 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
