On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 15:09, Mark Shuttleworth <532...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > On 23/07/10 13:18, Martin Wildam wrote: >> the Ubuntu team is causing separation and >> not uniting forces which would be so important for the whole Linux >> community. > I'd like to hear your justification for that statement. We've: > - built a bug tracker that explicitly lets us share bugs and fixes with > other distributions and upstreams (and is still the only open source > comprehensive hosting platform) > - consistently invited people from other distributions (debian, red > hat, suse) to our conference, even sponsoring them > - supported multiple efforts to converge on open standards across > desktop environments and distributions
Don't get me wrong please! - I was really not talking about the infrastructure and about your community activities! The whole launchpad is awesome very effective KISS software - Participating in the Ubuntu community is a lot more pleasureful for me than e.g. in Fedora/redhat world (at least my experience). I was talking about decisions like the positioning of the buttons. This and some other decisions have been taken without coordinating with the community. I read a lot of Linux related blogs and listen to a lot of Linux related podcasts. The vast majority of people is definitely agains decisions like this - changing window control buttons. I do consider myself as a GTD focus person and mouse miles driven vastly increased (not just because I was first moving right and then left only after discovering that the buttons are not there any more. ;-) ) > You're entitled to your opinions, but simply repeating something you > heard (potentially from a competitor) is a poor way to form or shape > opinions. Again, I was not talking about the general interaction with the community or the service in general! I was talking about a few design decisions that have been taken without really considering the opinion of the community. And I am not just repeating what I have heard or read elsewhere - it is my very own experience that I only get confirmed when readin/listening on the web. I am trying hard to spread the word for Ubuntu and my testing and intallations done for friends, I do in the nights when family sleeps and all other work is done. I face a lot of potential new end users and I am working in IT business for about 20 years (mostly as software developer), so I think I have some experience regarding usability. And it is not, that I am not flexible: If you can give me something on the free space at the Window border that I find awesome useful, I am willing to adapt. That said, I am quite sure that the new feature could also perfectly go to the left so the minimize, maximize and close buttons could remain where they have ever been. And: Why not waiting with that change until the new feature is availble? With the current situation I do face either different themes design broken because they got hit in the cold with the change in 10.04 - oh and as we are talking about 10.04: It is definitely the worst idea introducing such experiments with an LTS - I am far from being alone with this opinion! But let me come to a very positive end of my reply: I am very happy about the fact that you are personally here - never ever would I expect Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Steve Jobs or Larry Ellison to personally read and respond to my feedback - so thumbs up for you! -- Martin Wildam -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs