On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 15:18 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > On 7/21/05, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:49 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > But there is no reason to tarnish Gnome's reputation because some people > > > feel that Gtk 2.8 is too cool to wait. Shipping a slower, more fragile > > > version of Gnome and which in addition will not benefit for the most > > > part on any of the new 2.8 stuff (if people are following the rules) > > > seems like a loosing proposition. > > > > The QA team does not consider a GTK+ 2.8-based GNOME more fragile than a > > 2.6-based one. The QA team believes the issues involved in upgrading > > this component of the GNOME desktop are no greater than upgrading any > > other fundamental library. > > Let me rephrase a little: the QA team[1] has been testing gtk 2.7, and > while we realize that gtk is deeper in the stack and as a result can > cause some deeply hidden and hard-to-debug bugs, at this point we feel > that gtk 2.7 is essentially as stable as 2.6 for the end-user, and > more importantly, bugs in 2.7 are being fixed quickly and reliably by > the gtk team; bugs in 2.6 are not.
There could or could not be significant issues in 2.7. The point is its not certain and it introduces significant *risk* to the schedule. We went through the same thing with 2.6 and it seems we learned nothing, see your own original view: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-June/msg00020.html As well as Andrew's: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-June/msg00022.html Since the original worry is time based, I don't see what's changed. This is from the main thread discussing this issue at the beginning of June. I'm not sure i share the view that there was consensus in this thread (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-July/msg00496.html). > [1] worth noting that if Novell is concerned about the stability of > HEAD, or the violation of promises about quality, Novell is more than > welcome to participate in the QA team. It would be even more exciting > if (like Ubuntu, or Red Hat) Novell distributed packages of unstable > releases to their users. But a quick check last night shows that > novell/ximian employees are not participating in very actively, filing > only ~1% of all bugs against the non-evolution core during this > calendar year; less than either sun or redhat. And why wouldn't you count an application that is actually part of GNOME? Guess we shouldn't count RH reporting on gtk/glib or Sun on a11y. -JP -- JP Rosevear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list