On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 10:49 +0100, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
> Anything that can be done to get things closer to where we want them to
> be is worth doing, imho. Also an issue somewhere listing all these
> different problems would really help as a centralized way of figuring
> out how to solve them.
>
> Gj
That's great to hear. From what I can see, the icon issue is partly
resolvable already. It used to be possible to use sun.awt.UNIXToolkit to
obtain stock icons from GTK, and this used to be the entry point for
native GTK library loading (via loadGTK()).
Are you aware whether UNIXToolkit is still employed? If so, I can look
into it and attempt a migration from GTK2 to GTK3. The stock icon method
could be replaced (as its now deprecated) with a mechanism for obtaining
via a freedesktop icon name, which would then permit access to the
native icons, further improving integration.
Perhaps a wrapper could be created for JMenu to use a specialised window
container as its toplevel, ensuring menus appear "native" on Linux/GTK?
- Ikey
>
> On 01/06/2014 10:45 AM, Michael Ikey Doherty wrote:
> > On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 10:37 +0100, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >> On 01/06/2014 10:31 AM, Michael Ikey Doherty wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 10:23 +0100, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>> Looking at the screenshots it looks more like a JDK or Gnome bug. There
> >>>> are no layout or painting issues in the screenshot, just the window
> >>>> decorations are missing. We need IDE log to see what’s wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gj
> >>> It isn't an IDE bug, its a very long standing Java issue (harks back to
> >>> 1.4.2 days. Suffered for years). Swing's GTK "integration" has been
> >>> sub-par since its very beginnings. Priority is given to Windows
> >>> integration and GTK just does not look good. Whilst it may appear there
> >>> are no layout issues in the screenshots, they do not conform to the rest
> >>> of the GNOME applications, which obviously determine their padding and
> >>> {x,y} offsets from the relevant theme files.
> >>>
> >>> I've raised the issue many times over the last few years to no avail,
> >> Issue number, please.
> > If I could still find it I would, I gave up when the infrastructure kept
> > changing a few years back and I was unable to log in to any systems
> > anymore.
> >
> > I'm happy to look at patching the existing GTK theme implementation to
> > be slightly more accurate, however that still leaves minor issues that
> > build up into something that has been deemed "ugly" (read: non-native
> > looking) within this list. Certain things like the fact a menu (popdown
> > or popup) has no composited shadow under Linux because it uses an
> > undecorated window as opposed to a window with the popup class. These
> > are things that would have to be changed at a toolkit level.
> >
> > Given the way that Swing works, in an abstract manner with pluggable
> > look and feels, it would seem the goal of integration is impossible.
> > Compound that with the fact themes are pulled from deprecated GTK2 rc
> > files, there is no native widget support, and freedesktop icon themes
> > are unsupported, is GTK integration for Netbeans even a likely goal?
> >
> > - Ikey
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Geertjan
> >>
> >>
> >>> even whilst Sun developed Java. Unfortunately it seems even Swing itself
> >>> now is considered legacy in the face of JavaFX, so perhaps the GTK
> >>> "integration" will never truly be realized.
> >>>
> >>> - Ikey
> >>>> On 01/06/2014 09:28 AM, Michael Ikey Doherty wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 08:54 +0100, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>>>> Can someone send a screenshot showing how NetBeans is not so well
> >>>>>> integrated? Then we can create an issue in the NetBeans bugtracker and
> >>>>>> get it fixed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gj
> >>>>> Please see my G+ album for two screenshots:
> >>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IkeyDoherty/posts/bs7UADZ2v7r
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Swing popups are undecorated, no doubt due to the fact they're actually
> >>>>> undecorated windows, not using a popup class. Spacing and padding is off
> >>>>> on all menus and buttons (not wide enough). Icon tabs (not sure what
> >>>>> you're calling them in Netbeans) in the preferences dialog use the
> >>>>> Nimbus look and feel, as opposed to falling back to a GTK style button.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Spacing is off on menus, etc. Icons are Nimbus, not GTK (though this is
> >>>>> most likely just not going to be fixed, due to a lack of support for
> >>>>> native theme access (freedesktop icons))
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Happy to report other issues if required. Problem is that the GTK theme
> >>>>> in Swing merely uses a GTK2 library to render pixmaps in Swings own way.
> >>>>> Native integration is always going to be an enormous obstacle with a
> >>>>> non-native approach (Which exists for obvious reasons, I know. Just
> >>>>> reporting :))
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind Regards,
> >>>>> Ikey Doherty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 01/06/2014 08:51 AM, Julien Olivier wrote:
> >>>>>>> Le lundi 06 janvier 2014 à 01:45 -0200, Fernando Cassia a écrit :
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I guess that's why there are users perfer to use "ugly" IDE like
> >>>>>>>>> netbeans
> >>>>>>>>> rather than a good looking Anjuta.
> >>>>>>>> If everyone keeps repeating the "Netbeans is ugly" line, does it make
> >>>>>>>> it true? Less complete than this hypothetical new IDE that is yet to
> >>>>>>>> be written. ;)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I really think that by "it's ugly", all he meant was that it looked
> >>>>>>> ugly
> >>>>>>> (and not so well integrated) compared to a native GTK3 app in a GNOME
> >>>>>>> 3
> >>>>>>> environment. And this is *true*, even if not *important*.
> >>>>>>>
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