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---------- Initial Header ----------- >From : desktop-discuss-bounces at opensolaris.org To : desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org Cc : Date : Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:32:27 -0700 Subject : desktop-discuss Digest, Vol 40, Issue 3 > Send desktop-discuss mailing list submissions to > desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > desktop-discuss-request at opensolaris.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > desktop-discuss-owner at opensolaris.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of desktop-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Lightning 0.9? (Alfred Peng) > 2. Re: Flash 10 beta is available (Tom Vacek) > 3. Re: [osol-help] Java Desktop System: Gnome (Alan Coopersmith) > 4. Re: Flash 10 beta is available (Bob Friesenhahn) > 5. Re: Does you application launch your own dbus daemon? > (Bob Doolittle) > 6. Re: Does you application launch your own dbus daemon? > (Stephen Browne) > 7. Re: Does you application launch your own dbus daemon? > (Takao Fujiwara - Tokyo S/W Center) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:04:47 +0800 > From: Alfred Peng <Alfred.Peng at Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: [desktop-discuss] Lightning 0.9? > To: Jon.Aimone at Sun.COM > Cc: desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > Message-ID: <48E4485F.1060608 at sun.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Jon Aimone wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If you respond, please do so directly. I'm not on this alias yet... > > > > Thunderbird prompted me to update the Lightning add-on, because .9 was > > now available! When I tried to download it, it failed to download: > > Add-On Not Found! > > > > I had thought Sun providing these builds. If so, how does one go about > > getting the Mozilla we pages updated? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-discuss mailing list > > desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > Hi Jon, > > Just tried to upgrade Lightning 0.7 to 0.9 on my box here for > Thunderbird 2.0.0.16. I go to Tools->add-ons, right click on ligntning > 0.7 and select Find update. After installing the update and restarting > Thunderbird, 0.9 is there. > > You could also download the add-on from here: > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2313, go to > Tools->add-ons->install button, and choose the xpi file to install manually. > > Hope this help, > -Alfred > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:29:56 -0500 > From: Tom Vacek <vacek008 at umn.edu> > Subject: Re: [desktop-discuss] Flash 10 beta is available > To: desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > Message-ID: <48E4BEC4.9010001 at umn.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I tried Flash 10 on the Firefox shipped with snv_98 (which has its own > problems). It caused my browser to crash (and core dump) about every > minute. I haven't tried it with the Firefox download. > > Tom > Qinghua Cheng wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Flash 10 beta has been available for downloading: > > > > x86 build at: > > http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_solaris_x86_092608.tar.bz2 > > sparc build at: > > http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_solaris_sparc_092608.tar.bz2 > > > > We are looking forward to your feedbacks. > > > > Thanks, > > Conny > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-discuss mailing list > > desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:06:03 -0700 > From: Alan Coopersmith <Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: [desktop-discuss] [osol-help] Java Desktop System: Gnome > To: sbata <sbata_1981 at yahoo.fr> > Cc: opensolaris-help at opensolaris.org, Desktop Discuss > <desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org> > Message-ID: <48E4D54B.3060105 at sun.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > sbata wrote: > > Hi, > > > > please can you help me, i would like to install the Java Desktop System: > > Gnome under Ubuntu or at least to download it. > > do you know how to do that ? > > You might be able to port the sources to Linux (the people in the > desktop-discuss forum would know that best) - that has been done > before and they're still built in an RPM-like spec file method, but > it's been years since JDS was built on Linux, and that was only for > the SuSE-based JDS/Linux distro. > > -- > -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:18:31 -0500 (CDT) > From: Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us> > Subject: Re: [desktop-discuss] Flash 10 beta is available > To: Tom Vacek <vacek008 at umn.edu> > Cc: desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > Message-ID: > <Pine.SOC.4.64.0810020906130.1107 at freddy.simplesystems.org> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Tom Vacek wrote: > > > I tried Flash 10 on the Firefox shipped with snv_98 (which has its own > > problems). It caused my browser to crash (and core dump) about every > > minute. I haven't tried it with the Firefox download. > > This is normal behavior for the Firefox and Flash plugin which are the > latest "supported" version which come with Solaris 10U5. Did it crash > every two minutes (rather than one) with the previous version? > > Note that the site http://www.adobe.com/ was causing instantaneous > browser death for me a couple of days ago. I really needed access to > the site so I had to switch to using a Windows PC in order to read it. > > If software that I developed exhibited such severe problems for such a > long duration I would take that as a clear sign to entirely change > occupations, and quite possibly stop using computers entirely. > > Bob > ====================================== > Bob Friesenhahn > bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ > GraphicsMagick Maintainer, http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:20:26 -0400 > From: Bob Doolittle <Robert.Doolittle at Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: [desktop-discuss] Does you application launch your own > dbus daemon? > To: Stephen Browne <Stephen.Browne at Sun.COM> > Cc: Ghee Teo <Ghee.Teo at Sun.COM>, Desktop Discuss > <desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org> > Message-ID: <48E4E6BA.7020700 at Sun.COM> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Stephen Browne wrote: > > Ghee, > > > > applications that require/use dbus do not explicitly do a dbus-launch > > (except gnome-session which does test for the env var first) they rely > > on libdbus to do it for them if necessary. > > > > This is not always the case. We encountered a situation where we > wanted, during early session startup, to start an event-driven > (non-dbus-related) daemon that would run gnome-screensaver-command at a > later time. We discovered that if dbus-launch were not run manually > before the daemon was started, the dbus environment would not yet have > been established and inherited by gnome-screensaver-command when > eventually it was run. Later something (such as gnome-screensaver) > would wind up indirectly creating the desktop dbus environment, but that > was to late for the already-running daemon and when eventually the > daemon invoked gnome-screensaver-command it had no known dbus > environment so started a conflicting one which wouldn't interoperate > with the desktop. > > So, in this case, we were indeed forced to run dbus-launch manually > before starting the launcher. > > I have to say I haven't been following this thread in detail, so this > may have no bearing on your conclusions, but it's not safe to assume > that dbus-launch never needs to be manually run. > > -Bob > > > When a dbus client app tries to connect to a session bus, libdbus will > > look for a running daemon (by checking for the env var) and if doesn't > > find one will auto launch it using > > dbus-launch --autolaunch > > > > So if we are seeing an autoluanched daemon then it is because libdbus > > isn't finding the running dameon or it was started before your exec of > > dbus-launch in the startup scripts. > > > > HTH, > > > > Stephen. > > > > On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 12:57, Ghee Teo wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I noticed that there more than one set of dbus-launch/dbus-daemon in > >> OpenSolairs b97 + vermillion 100. > >> Based on the ordering of pids, the most likely app that launches > >> dbus-daemon is iiimd, however I can't > >> confirm it since I don't know where the source is, and not sure the > >> exact sequence it start. > >> > >> We need to have a coherence approach to start dbus session, we should > >> only have one session dbus > >> per user session for memory/efficiency. So the approach is 2 folds: > >> > >> - We should start dbus session as early as possible when user login, > >> Brian Cameron made suggestion to > >> put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, I am clarifying how does this work. > >> > >> - Application should check whether there is DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS > >> defined before > >> doing an explicit dbus-launch. > >> > >> Comments/Feebacks are welcome. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> -Ghee > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> desktop-discuss mailing list > >> desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-discuss mailing list > > desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:28:04 +0100 > From: Stephen Browne <Stephen.Browne at Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: [desktop-discuss] Does you application launch your own > dbus daemon? > To: Bob Doolittle <Robert.Doolittle at Sun.COM> > Cc: Ghee Teo <Ghee.Teo at Sun.COM>, Desktop Discuss > <desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org> > Message-ID: <1222961283.29689.32.camel at sr1-edub-03> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bob, > > I wasn't suggesting that we don't need to run dbus-launch manually. In > fact Ghee was trying to figure out where exactly to do this (he has it > sorted out now). I was merely pointing out to Ghee that the extra > dbus-daemons he was seeing in the session were not because other > applications were explicitly starting them but because libdbus couldnt > find a running daemon and started one for them. > > Stephen. > > > On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 16:20, Bob Doolittle wrote: > > > Stephen Browne wrote: > > > Ghee, > > > > > > applications that require/use dbus do not explicitly do a dbus-launch > > > (except gnome-session which does test for the env var first) they rely > > > on libdbus to do it for them if necessary. > > > > > > > This is not always the case. We encountered a situation where we > > wanted, during early session startup, to start an event-driven > > (non-dbus-related) daemon that would run gnome-screensaver-command at a > > later time. We discovered that if dbus-launch were not run manually > > before the daemon was started, the dbus environment would not yet have > > been established and inherited by gnome-screensaver-command when > > eventually it was run. Later something (such as gnome-screensaver) > > would wind up indirectly creating the desktop dbus environment, but that > > was to late for the already-running daemon and when eventually the > > daemon invoked gnome-screensaver-command it had no known dbus > > environment so started a conflicting one which wouldn't interoperate > > with the desktop. > > > > So, in this case, we were indeed forced to run dbus-launch manually > > before starting the launcher. > > > > I have to say I haven't been following this thread in detail, so this > > may have no bearing on your conclusions, but it's not safe to assume > > that dbus-launch never needs to be manually run. > > > > -Bob > > > > > When a dbus client app tries to connect to a session bus, libdbus will > > > look for a running daemon (by checking for the env var) and if doesn't > > > find one will auto launch it using > > > dbus-launch --autolaunch > > > > > > So if we are seeing an autoluanched daemon then it is because libdbus > > > isn't finding the running dameon or it was started before your exec of > > > dbus-launch in the startup scripts. > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 12:57, Ghee Teo wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I noticed that there more than one set of dbus-launch/dbus-daemon in > > >> OpenSolairs b97 + vermillion 100. > > >> Based on the ordering of pids, the most likely app that launches > > >> dbus-daemon is iiimd, however I can't > > >> confirm it since I don't know where the source is, and not sure the > > >> exact sequence it start. > > >> > > >> We need to have a coherence approach to start dbus session, we should > > >> only have one session dbus > > >> per user session for memory/efficiency. So the approach is 2 folds: > > >> > > >> - We should start dbus session as early as possible when user login, > > >> Brian Cameron made suggestion to > > >> put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, I am clarifying how does this work. > > >> > > >> - Application should check whether there is DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS > > >> defined before > > >> doing an explicit dbus-launch. > > >> > > >> Comments/Feebacks are welcome. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> -Ghee > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> desktop-discuss mailing list > > >> desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > desktop-discuss mailing list > > > desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/desktop-discuss/attachments/20081002/1cf14eae/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:31:48 +0900 > From: Takao Fujiwara - Tokyo S/W Center <Takao.Fujiwara at Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: [desktop-discuss] Does you application launch your own > dbus daemon? > To: Brian Cameron <Brian.Cameron at Sun.COM> > Cc: Ghee Teo <Ghee.Teo at Sun.COM>, Desktop Discuss > <desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org> > Message-ID: <48E4E964.10804 at Sun.COM> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Brian Cameron-san wrote (10/ 2/08 02:32 AM): > > > > Ghee: > > > > In my previous email I asked why we still need to hack > > dtlogin-integration's Xsession script to save the user's SHELL variable > > and reset it after calling dbus-launch. This seems unnecessary when > > calling dbus-launch with --sh-syntax. > > > > Also, why are we patching dtlogin-integration rather than modifying > > the dtlogin-integration module and spinning a new release? > > > >> I noticed that there more than one set of dbus-launch/dbus-daemon in > >> OpenSolairs b97 + vermillion 100. > >> Based on the ordering of pids, the most likely app that launches > >> dbus-daemon is iiimd, however I can't > >> confirm it since I don't know where the source is, and not sure the > >> exact sequence it start. > >> > >> We need to have a coherence approach to start dbus session, we should > >> only have one session dbus > >> per user session for memory/efficiency. So the approach is 2 folds: > >> > >> - We should start dbus session as early as possible when user login, > >> Brian Cameron made suggestion to > >> put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, I am clarifying how does this work. > > > > When using GDM, the /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession script has this code: > > > > # run all system xinitrc shell scripts. > > if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ]; then > > for i in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/* ; do > > if [ -x "$i" ]; then > > . "$i" > > fi > > done > > fi > > > > So, if you install files to this directory, they should run. I > > believe that the /etc/x11/xinit directory is empty by default on > > both Solaris and OpenSolaris. However, any package (such as > > gnome-session) which wants to install a script to make sure that > > something like dbus-launch is started can easily create the directory > > and add any desired scripts. Since OpenSolaris only uses GDM, this > > should work fine. > > > >> - Application should check whether there is DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS > >> defined before > >> doing an explicit dbus-launch. > > > > For this to work with CDE login, though, you would need to also > > put the same script in /usr/dt/config/Xsession.d. Since, on > > Solaris Nevada, GDM runs both the /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession script > > and the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d scripts, you would obviously > > need to check the environment variables as you describe and avoid > > starting dbus-launch a second time if it was already started by > > an earlier process. > > > > By the way, I understand that Takao is considering moving G11N > > specific Xsession startup code that is currently hardcoded into > > the GDM Xsession script and/or dtstart script into the > > /usr/dt/config/Xsession.d and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d scripts > > so that code is better encapsulated and separated from other > > session startup scripting. > > Thanks for your ping. Yes, I agreed it's a better migration not to depend on > CDE. > Please let me return this after Indiana Nov. is released. > > fujiwara > > > > > Brian > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-discuss mailing list > desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > > End of desktop-discuss Digest, Vol 40, Issue 3 > ********************************************** >
